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• FuglyDuck@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  wikipedia has a fairly neutral argument on it.

  Today, it usually refers to one of two groups- the far right political faction in Israel that believe there can be no peace with a two state solution (i.e. no Palestine,) and that it’s their god-given right to murder all palestinians to acheive peace…

  Or the christian zionists that support them because their own faith says their god won’t come to save them until they- the jews- rebuild their temple. or something. Fundies get weird.

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  • hddsx@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    What? Wasn’t Israel originally the Palestine before a part of Palestine was designated Israel?

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    • gedaliyah@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      No, but that’s a common misconception. Palestine has never been a country, but was a region of the Ottoman Empire, then a part of the British Empire that more or less consisted of modern day Israel, Palestine, and Jordan.

      Under the Ottomans and the British, there was a Jewish minority, mostly in the region of Palestine, but also in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, etc.

      Starting in the 1800s, Jews living in Europe began to move to the region in larger numbers (as well as Jews living in other parts of the Middle East and Africa). This was primarily motivated by antisemitic events in Europe, but also similar to the national movements that led to Prussia becoming Germany, the pan-Arab movement, re-establishing Poland, etc.

      Here is a photo of the 1931 Palestinian football team that included Palestinian Jews as well as Palestinian Arabs.

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    • FuglyDuck@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      How far back do you want to go?

      If we’re talking Bronze Age, then the exodus didn’t happen. Or rather, only a small handful of refugees showed up and their story eventually became assimilated into Judaea’s and Israel’s cultural narrative.

      Tracing ancestry back that far is problematic, but both cultures have equally valid and long standing claims to the region.

      It’s like the Hatfield and McCoy feud, except it’s existed since the start of the Bronze Age (or earlier,)

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    • Lemminary@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Precisely. Wtf.

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