This is clearly only the ones that negatively affect them.
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jordanlund@lemmy.world 3 months ago
“Its website lists six behaviors customers can be flagged for: violence, assault, destruction of property, sexual assault, fraud, and theft.”
Seems like they’re missing an “overconsume” flag. If you ever had to cut someone off, that should be noted. 6 drink maximum or whatever.
someguy3@lemmy.ca 3 months ago
ChexMax@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Yeah, I’m half surprised there isn’t “under consume” on the list and they stop letting people in who don’t spend enough money
catloaf@lemm.ee 3 months ago
They don’t really care about those. Their prices are high enough that their expenses are covered by the people who do drink.
Takumidesh@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Why would a system meant to maximize the profit of the bar local out their best customers?
They only want to block fighters and predators because it hurts business, not for any moral reasons.
jordanlund@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Serving someone who has overconsumed can get you in trouble with the liquor authorities.
ilmagico@lemmy.world 3 months ago
From the article:
Patronscan previously had a system flag for “substance abuse,” but this flag was removed in 2019, according to Mlikotin. Its privacy policy notes a California law that limits its flags to “fraud, abuse, and material representation.”
jordanlund@lemmy.world 3 months ago
See, fo me, “substance abuse” = “caught doing coke in the bathroom”.
ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 3 months ago
As someone in New Orleans who has bartended and done many other service industry jobs, eat pant. That will definitely be used in shittier cities to arrest/sue bartenders who “overserve” someone who then leaves and gets in trouble.
It’s basically impossible to keep track of every customer at crowded bars when you’re working your ass off, people buy rounds for each other, you’re worried about stocking the bar, cleaning glasses, etc. Imagine working at a music venue and being slammed for 3 or 4 hours for tips and then some ass gets you sued, fined, or arrested because you didn’t manage to remember every single person at the show.
pjwestin@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Honestly, I spent a lot of years tending bar, and most of the time, if someone was too drunk, it was my fault. Sure, there were times when someone was pre-gaming too hard or snuck in alcohol, but 9 times out of 10, if someone overconsumed, it was because I overserved.
ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I commented elsewhere about this but it’s entirely dependent on the type of bar and event. That data will be used for holding bartenders who “overserve” liable for someone else’s behavior and there’s so many scenarios where you have no idea who has drank the correct amount.
Imagine working an event — a concert or wedding or anything like that — and some jackass manages to get too drunk. That should be on them but America is the most litigious society on Earth. There’s no way the bar and bartender won’t ever be sued and this data subpoenaed.
pjwestin@lemmy.world 3 months ago
That’s very true, although I think it’ll be unlikely that an individual bartender will get blamed for overserving in a large venue. I worked at a relatively small venue (280 at capacity) and on a busy night it would be difficult to tell you who served an individual customer, much less who gave him the drink that, “overserved,” them.
Grimy@lemmy.world 3 months ago
It would be nice if they put an AA flag as well and let people with addiction problems blacklist themselves on a voluntary basis.