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Cooperatives existing doesn't solve the problem as it doesn't address the violation of inalienable rights in all non-coop firms. Consent doesn't transfer responsibility. The solution is to abolish the employment contract and secure universal self-employment as in a worker coop.

Markets have a place, but non-market mechanisms and mutual aid should flourish within groups. Ancaps see the logic of exit, but ignore the dual logic of commitment and voice e.g. democracy and social property
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rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

Consent doesn’t transfer responsibility.

I agree.

Ancaps see the logic of exit, but ignore the dual logic of commitment and voice e.g. democracy and social property

Ancaps delegate this to free will.

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… but non-market mechanisms and mutual aid should flourish within groups.

Only how do you form a group with its resources without property of individuals as its components?

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- jlou@mastodon.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  So you agree that the employer-employee contract must be abolished due to it violating workers' inalienable right to workplace democracy?
  The way collective property works is that each group member that possesses collective property self-assess and declares the price they would be willing to turn over the possession to another group member. Then, they pay a percentage fee on this self-assessed price to the group. Groups democratically decide what to do with the collective funds @technology
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  - rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    
    So you agree that the employer-employee contract must be abolished due to it violating workers’ inalienable right to workplace democracy?
    
    No, just that you can’t offload responsibility via contract. I agree though that contract under clear pressure is negligible.
    
    The way collective property works is that each group member that possesses collective property self-assess and declares the price they would be willing to turn over the possession to another group member. Then, they pay a percentage fee on this self-assessed price to the group. Groups democratically decide what to do with the collective funds
    
    So a group can make the fee zero and thus have a usual ancap community?
    
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    jlou@mastodon.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    The employment contract is such a contract. It involves a legal transfer of legal responsibility for the positive and negative results of production from the employees to the solely the employer. However, there is no corresponding de facto transfer of de facto responsibility. The contract is unfulfillable.
    Groups set exit fees for transferring out community value. They can lower the exit fees for mutually-recognized groups, and exclude "groups" with no public goods funding
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