I don’t know that I’d call them idealistic. They were landed nobles who didn’t want to pay the increased taxes levied on them. Which in turn were to pay for the war their government had fought on their behalf to protect them from the native people whose land they had stolen. By exterminating those native people.
A bunch of idealistic revolutionaries ove 300 years ago. We just haven’t fixed the problems because people now worship said revolutionaries.
KinglyWeevil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
They were idealistic in that a lot of them subscribed to the ideals of the enlightenment which as a reminder was not a working class movement. Most of the compromises they made were innate issues of their era, but there is still that massive throughline within a lot of it that assumes that those in power are statesmen not demagogues. The problem is that I doubt they would expect the very checks and balances to be used by the demagogues they feared.
KinglyWeevil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
The federalist papers very much show they were aware of that threat.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
The ideals: racism, slavery, classism, etc.
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
We are talking about people who were somewhat contemporary with the utopian movement, who are considered to be the an ideological ancestor to socialism. Some utopians had slavery backed in. Them being flawed doesnt make them not idealists, name a revolutionary movement that didnt pull shit like early American government or whatever schizo shit the French revolution devolved into before Napoleon.