Comment on OpenAI and Anthropic are ignoring an established rule that prevents bots scraping online content

breadsmasher@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

• tupcakes@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  And they will be “unable” to purge it.

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  • 9point6@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Hoping the EU drops GDPR 2 requiring them to delete the entire model if it infringes or something.

    Expecting the US to meaningfully regulate US companies is like expecting…

    You know what, even including physical impossibilities, I’m struggling to think of anything less likely

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    • lemmyvore@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      I’ve yet to understand how the hell they get away with “I don’t know how it works”. Either figure out how it works or stop using it, shithead. It’s software not magic beans.

      There’s lots of complicated fields out there, none of them get a pass for “I don’t know how my drugs work” or “I don’t know how my rockets work”. That’s absolutely ridiculous.

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      • balder1991@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        It’s just how machine learning has been since ever.

        We only know the model’s behavior by testing, hence we only know more or less the behavior in relation to the amount of testing that was done. But the model internals has always been a black box of numbers that individually mean nothing and if tracked which neurons fire here and there it’ll appear just random, because it probably is.

        Remember the machine learning models aren’t carefully designed, they’re just brute-force trained for a long time and have the numbers adjusted again and again whenever the results look closer or further away from the desired output.

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      • Same@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Uh, we don’t really know how our drugs work (especially the older ones). We have a vague understanding of their mechanisms, but we really don’t know how they work. We don’t even have a clear idea of what the structures of most drugs look like, and how they interact with their binding sites.

        Luckily, we don’t actually have to know how they work, to know that they work. Instead we use clinical trials and real world evidence to support their use.

        (Fun fact: there’s actually a branch of drug development called phenotypic drug discovery which actually does away with the understanding of the mechanisms altogether. )

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    • tupcakes@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      I’m in the US so yeah…. Even if the current of future GDPR requires deletion I guarantee it’ll still be used in the US. I have no faith that any US company will follow rules like that. Any fines are just looked at as the cost of doing business.

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  • seaQueue@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Or they’ll “purge” it and somehow the canaries will end up in the model anyway

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• fishos@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  It’s like weapons testing. You only move to ban testing after you’ve developed it yourself.

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• Zoboomafoo@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Whatever happened to those “nightshade” images that poison the model?

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  • Womble@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    You mean that work that took open source software, closed sourced it and refused to release the source code and the poisoning only worked against one specific open source model (stable diffusion). I don’t think that’s going to come riding to anyone’s rescue.

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  • ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    They only kinda work but more importantly they need mass adoption to actually poison training data. Most people aren’t going to add another step to their posts so probably the only way to mass adopt it is to have platforms automatically poison uploaded images. I wonder if reposts on a platform like that would start to have noticable artifacts in the images like jpeg but different

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• snooggums@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Same approach as all the other ‘disruptive’ new companies that ignore industry standards, rules, and laws.

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• Grimy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  I’d argue they are pushing for regulations behind the scene because they know it gives them an instant monopoly.

  They are already pass the door, they can afford to shut it behind them to own the room. Having to send checks to websites like Reddit and Getty in the future is a small price to pay.

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