No it’s not. If there was a right way to protest everyone would do it. But protest is always messy, some people will hate you, some will applaude you, no matter what you do. So choose something and try it. Or sit on the couch and comment on the internet like you are not part of the collapse thats coming.
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xor@infosec.pub 1 month agonah, this is one of those “shills running the activists” examples.
a. self-mangling is a good way to discourage sympathy or participation.
b. disrupting a bunch of random travelers, and actually endangering them because planes are in the air and need to land… so, not helpful in getting sympathy for the cause… just press coverage… which will be mostly negative.
c. there are a lot more direct ways to cause disruption, and a lot more sympathetic, less self-harming tactics to get press coverage… and much much much more effective than delaying some flights at one airport for a few hours… this is peak stupidity at worse, but more likely, peak infiltration…
e. did i mention it even fucks up the activists physically!!! it’s so fucking stupid and counter productive
Teppichbrand@feddit.de 1 month ago
xor@infosec.pub 1 month ago
i’m talking about how one particular thing is the wrong way to protest, yet you’re pretending like i’m against all possible protest or something
Teppichbrand@feddit.de 1 month ago
These people ruin their (financial) lifes to protest for your future. Everything else failed, so they desperately try something more risky and you dare to call them fucking stupid.
xor@infosec.pub 1 month ago
the action is stupid, not the people, necessary.
and how does posting a wikipedia article to general topics like “ExxonMobil climate change denial” supposedly apply to gluing yourself to an airport runway?
you’re pretending like you’re responding to me with some proof, but you’re just sea lioning.why not go block an oil refinery, some shipping ports where oil is being loaded onto trucks? DDOS exxon’s backend online? throw feces an exxon ceo’s?
it’s a stupid fucking tactic and don’t you dare pretend like i’m talking about the concept of protesting climate change in general.
InternetPerson@lemmings.world 1 month ago
The jury is still out on that. I’ve found research and surveys pointing in both directions. The positive and negative effects of such forms of protest are not sufficiently studied yet. Also historically, there are good examples for both.
Therefore, I wouldn’t judge yet.
From what I know about that activist group, they always ensure safety. On street blockages, they make room for ambulances, they also inform emergency services.
I haven’t looked it up for this case, but I can imagine, that they considered this.
I think, planes usually have enough fuel to land at another airport for such cases. There are emergency protocolsmror stuff like that anyway. So no one is really endagered here. Just inconvenienced.
What do you have in mind?
Not really though.
Despite that, every member knows the risk. They know what they are doing. They are not stupid and think about such protest actions thoroughly.
xor@infosec.pub 1 month ago
i don’t need to present an alternative to glueing yourself to things….
the jury is not out on that… and i don’t really care about your opinions pretending like you’ve read research about how effective gluing yourself to things it….
it’s honestly pretty fucking evil of you to promote it.
nobody should hurt themselves to spread your political message.
InternetPerson@lemmings.world 1 month ago
I’ve had this kind of talk a lot of times. And when it actually comes to “those alternatives”, which critics say activists should pursue instead, one common reaction is silence, as they are lacking ideas about those.
I’ll leave you with that.
As far as I know, it is. If there are new studies, which I don’t know of and which come to a clear conclusion, I’d be thankful if you could link them here.
Well, that’s your decision. If you don’t believe in facts, then don’t. But then it’s not surprising if people call you out on that, if you don’t provide proof for your position.
If you’re interested – which you don’t seem to be – I’ll happily share the studies, historical examples, reports and surveys I’ve collected on that topic.
I didn’t promote it. Maybe you can explain what gave you the impression?
I agree that nobody should hurt themselves. Although I can understand if people see themselves driven to such measures out of desperation and/or in order to prevent worse.
Regarding that activist group “Letzte Generation”, I couldn’t find any reports about injuries due to glueing.
Also I wonder where you get the “your political message” from as I didn’t make any statement about my political stance on that.
xor@infosec.pub 1 month ago
you’re an idiot.
i’m not taking your bait.
go glue yourself to something then, show me how much you’re not just talking out of your ass.
shill.