nah, this is one of those “shills running the activists” examples.
a. self-mangling is a good way to discourage sympathy or participation.
b. disrupting a bunch of random travelers, and actually endangering them because planes are in the air and need to land… so, not helpful in getting sympathy for the cause… just press coverage… which will be mostly negative.
c. there are a lot more direct ways to cause disruption, and a lot more sympathetic, less self-harming tactics to get press coverage… and much much much more effective than delaying some flights at one airport for a few hours… this is peak stupidity at worse, but more likely, peak infiltration…
e. did i mention it even fucks up the activists physically!!! it’s so fucking stupid and counter productive
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Lmaydev@programming.dev 5 months ago
Grounding planes is probably one of the most effective ways a person can cut emissions.
xor@infosec.pub 5 months ago
InternetPerson@lemmings.world 5 months ago
a. self-mangling is a good way to discourage sympathy or participation b. disrupting a bunch of random travelers, and actually endangering them […] not helpful in getting sympathy for the cause… just press coverage… which will be mostly negative. […]
it’s so fucking stupid and counter productiveThe jury is still out on that. I’ve found research and surveys pointing in both directions. The positive and negative effects of such forms of protest are not sufficiently studied yet. Also historically, there are good examples for both.
Therefore, I wouldn’t judge yet.
actually endangering them because planes are in the air and need to land
From what I know about that activist group, they always ensure safety. On street blockages, they make room for ambulances, they also inform emergency services.
I haven’t looked it up for this case, but I can imagine, that they considered this.
I think, planes usually have enough fuel to land at another airport for such cases. There are emergency protocolsmror stuff like that anyway. So no one is really endagered here. Just inconvenienced.c. there are a lot more direct ways to cause disruption, and a lot more sympathetic, less self-harming tactics to get press coverage
What do you have in mind?
e. did i mention it even fucks up the activists physically!!!
Not really though.
Despite that, every member knows the risk. They know what they are doing. They are not stupid and think about such protest actions thoroughly.xor@infosec.pub 5 months ago
What do you have in mind?
i don’t need to present an alternative to glueing yourself to things….
the jury is not out on that… and i don’t really care about your opinions pretending like you’ve read research about how effective gluing yourself to things it….
it’s honestly pretty fucking evil of you to promote it.
nobody should hurt themselves to spread your political message.
InternetPerson@lemmings.world 5 months ago
i don’t need to present an alternative to glueing yourself to things….
I’ve had this kind of talk a lot of times. And when it actually comes to “those alternatives”, which critics say activists should pursue instead, one common reaction is silence, as they are lacking ideas about those.
I’ll leave you with that.the jury is not out on that…
As far as I know, it is. If there are new studies, which I don’t know of and which come to a clear conclusion, I’d be thankful if you could link them here.
and i don’t really care about your opinions pretending like you’ve read research about how effective gluing yourself to things it….
Well, that’s your decision. If you don’t believe in facts, then don’t. But then it’s not surprising if people call you out on that, if you don’t provide proof for your position.
If you’re interested – which you don’t seem to be – I’ll happily share the studies, historical examples, reports and surveys I’ve collected on that topic.it’s honestly pretty fucking evil of you to promote it.
I didn’t promote it. Maybe you can explain what gave you the impression?
nobody should hurt themselves to spread your political message.
I agree that nobody should hurt themselves. Although I can understand if people see themselves driven to such measures out of desperation and/or in order to prevent worse.
Regarding that activist group “Letzte Generation”, I couldn’t find any reports about injuries due to glueing.Also I wonder where you get the “your political message” from as I didn’t make any statement about my political stance on that.
Teppichbrand@feddit.de 5 months ago
No it’s not. If there was a right way to protest everyone would do it. But protest is always messy, some people will hate you, some will applaude you, no matter what you do. So choose something and try it. Or sit on the couch and comment on the internet like you are not part of the collapse thats coming.
xor@infosec.pub 5 months ago
i’m talking about how one particular thing is the wrong way to protest, yet you’re pretending like i’m against all possible protest or something
Teppichbrand@feddit.de 5 months ago
These people ruin their (financial) lifes to protest for your future. Everything else failed, so they desperately try something more risky and you dare to call them fucking stupid.
conquer4@lemmy.world 5 months ago
True! Now they can sit on the ground engines running and going nowhere.
Lmaydev@programming.dev 5 months ago
I doubt they leave the engines and even if they did leave them idling it’s better than flying
feddylemmy@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I’d assume there has to be some engine use for electricity generation, climate control, etc. even when grounded.
letsgo@lemm.ee 5 months ago
Burning fuel to no effect is better than burning fuel to get somewhere? A quick search suggests a 747 burns 5 gallons per mile. An idling engine achieving nothing is burning infinity gallons per mile. Which if you check the number line you’ll find is slightly higher.
Lmaydev@programming.dev 5 months ago
Only if you do it per mile. Not if you do it as gallons burned.
Also 0/1 isn’t infinity it’s undefined.
InternetPerson@lemmings.world 5 months ago
You require more fuel to move compared to fuel consumption while running idle.
TwoCubed@feddit.de 5 months ago
I’m absolutely for eliminating domestic flights within European countries. Let’s get some good trains going instead. But traveling the skies is one of humanities greatest achievements and lets us explore other cultures in a way we otherwise never could. Let’s not get rid of those. I don’t want to be trapped here. Ban 30€ flights from Germany to Mallorca? Absolutely! Ban flights from Germany to APAC, Africa or the Americas? Please don’t.
micosil@lemmy.today 5 months ago
As a Mallorca resident, I’ll take the 40 minute flight from Barcelona over the 6 hour boat trip thank you very much
TwoCubed@feddit.de 5 months ago
I’m sorry, I was referring to Germans that head down to Mallorca for a weekend to get shitfaced. It doesn’t make sense that a train ride from Hamburg to Munich costs 5 times as much as a flight from Hamburg to Mallorca.
Inner European flights are also important, until we have a dedicated highspeed train network that connects all of Europe’s larger cities with each other.
Teppichbrand@feddit.de 5 months ago
This is peak entitlement