Comment on Going insane watching conservatives realize that sometimes cops go insane for no good reason
mozz@mbin.grits.dev 5 months ago
How did the police go insane?
They shut down traffic to work a fatal accident, he ignored a detective who told him to stop, something happened that led to the guy getting dragged for 30 feet and sent to the hospital with minor injuries, so they arrested him and from the only video I was able to see they were walking pretty calmly with him during the arrest. Once they realized who he was, they let him out of jail in time to play golf, but he's still facing some charges.
Am I missing context where something crazy happened? That all sounds pretty straightforward.
(Aside from the conservative person being shocked and appalled that a wealthy golf player with a little white-person smirk on his face is being subjected to the rule of law as if he was one of the poors, that part I can agree is pretty funny.)
partial_accumen@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I have no idea who this guy is but for the couple of decades that cheap video cameras have existed we’ve seen dozens (hundreds?) of cases where the stated police narrative doesn’t even come close to the captured video. Usually the targets are minorities and they rarely see justice against the police that make up the false narrative.
I give ZERO credibility to the written police narratives. Show me the video that they should have captured from a dozen different car and body cams. Its entirely possible the police description is correct, but I won’t believe word of it without the video to back it up.
almar_quigley@lemmy.world 5 months ago
This guy has major emotional control issues. I’ve seen him yelling and destroying equipment on live tv on course. ACAB but sometimes so are citizens. Both can be true at the same time. This guy is a fuckin prick.
SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 5 months ago
And yet he’s still getting the entirety of the benefit of the doubt in this situation because it’s still somehow more likely that the police did something wrong. My mind will be changed by video and nothing else.
almar_quigley@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Cool?
mozz@mbin.grits.dev 5 months ago
IDK man. I'm having trouble coming up with a scenario where the police just decided out of nowhere "Fuck this PGA vehicle, I hate it now! And will arrest the driver for no reason" when the driver was just following all their instructions exactly and all of a sudden the cops all got angry and it was all very confusing (which was more or less Scheffler's version.)
I also note that Scheffler and his attorney didn't say anything that sounded like "nobody got dragged by his vehicle, that part didn't happen" or anything that directly contradicted what the cops said. He just said that when it happened it was confusing and scary.
I'm happy to wait for the bodycam footage too, though. Presumably we'll be able to see exactly what happened during the critical events.
orrk@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I think you’ll find that there are a lot of crazy reasons for the police doing something,
_number8_@lemmy.world 5 months ago
it would take someone particularly stupid, even for a cop, to try to stop a moving car by grabbing the door handle and then maintaining grip on the handle while getting dragged by a moving car
i can’t even blame scheffler for being panicked and just hitting the gas reflexively there, i dunno what i would do if a guy with a gun was trying to break into my car despite me having an all access pass to the area
mozz@mbin.grits.dev 5 months ago
See this is why I don't like ACAB. Once you start taking this cartoonish version of any given type of people, you start looking at things in this really skewed perspective. People could be good or bad or a mix of both or whatever, sure, but once they're "the enemy" and everything they do is stupid and evil and wrong, the kinds of things you start thinking are plausible start to become off kilter.
I think there is about a 0% chance that the cop just didn't say a word and ran up to the car with his gun out and started trying to break in like a crazy person, and that was the first thing that happened. Maybe it's 100% true that the cops miscommunicated and one guy had told Scheffler to go, and another then told him to stop, or something like that, but I'm still real curious about this blank space between "He was proceeding as directed by another traffic officer" and then there being a cop attached to the outside of the car and Scheffler still moving the car forward and it being a "chaotic scene."
I mean, he stopped after 30 feet, instead of continuing on his merry way through their accident scene or whatever. Sounds like if what happened was the cop grabbing the car and not letting go, then his strategy worked. My bet would be that the bodycam video will show some other less chaotic things they tried to do to get him to stop, as a first step, and the majority of the chaos stemming directly from Scheffler's actions. IDK, maybe not and maybe it's silly to talk about what the video will show before seeing it, but that is my feeling.