Skullgrid@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago but it’s REALLY hard to get your society to have the labor distribution to allow people to make scientific progress and digest other civilizations works while also being stable for a long time which requires wealth disparity
which requires wealth disparity
You’re just going to gloss over this? There’s plenty of wealth disparity and it’s not leading to jack shit
There’s wealth disparity in normal well functioning societies it’s just a healthy amount. It’s like it’s normal for there to be a range of body weights in a population, but extreme levels of obesity or starvation aren’t healthy.
When the US was functioning at its best wealth disparity was present but small. There was even wealth disparity in the USSR and high wealth disparity was also correlated with the decay and collapse of the Soviets.
A fire needs oxygen and fuel. That does not mean that everywhere there is oxygen and fuel there is fire.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago yeah sure, but the statement is more like “BTW, if you want society, billions must suffer” like fuck off
cjoll4@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago They didn’t say it’s impossible to have society without wealth disparity.
They said it’s “really hard” to have the necessary labor distribution for scientific advancement and to digest other civilizations’ works without wealth disparity.
And they’re right. It’s really hard to make those advancements without having people whose full-time jobs are to be scientists, artists, and scholars. It’s really hard to be a full-time scientist, artist, or scholar unless you’re wealthy enough that you don’t have to work all day for basic resources, or have the patronage of someone who is. It’s really hard to be wealthy enough not to work all day for basic resources unless there’s wealth disparity.
Advancements in technology and governance since the modern era have made it significantly less hard, but in the grand scope of history, it’s been really really hard.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago Specialisation is a different thing to wealth disparity. Surplus of resources necessary for human survival allows people to work in fields other than farming and the generation of human survival resources is what allows specialization, it doesn’t mean that needs to lead to wealth disparities. Through technological advantages and a fair social system you can have more people taking turns in food generation that yield loads of food and other resources, and the distribution of those goods can be fairly done.
Snowclone@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
homie, I AS IN ME, don’t have any opinion on this shit. I’m educated enough to know my opinion isn’t even qualified, but unfortunately we have no historical examples of forward progress in all of human history that isn’t marked by huge wealth gaps in civilizations of the past. Again. I don’t have a say in this. the data shows this. and again, just because it happens, doesn’t mean it works. you can put a doctors clothes on, doesn’t make you a doctor. you can have nightmarish wealth gaps, doesn’t mean you’re making progress.