Comment on First human brain implant malfunctioned, Neuralink says

• Soggy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  You’re presupposing that surgical implants can’t be more responsive, intuitive, speedy, or sophisticated than an external device. The eye trackers are very useful but objectively pretty limited. Non-invasive EEG is weak and distorted because there is skull and more brain in the way, so “resolution” is limited.

  If better outcomes are possible by putting electrodes as close to the signal source as can be, why not explore that option?

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  • Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    It feels ridiculous that I even need to say this, but you don’t do it because the risk:benefit ratio is lopsided as hell.

    Risks: die from sepsis, have your body reject the implant, the parent company goes out of business and your implant no longer functions (this has happened with several startups), etc

    Benefit: move mouse and click faster

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    • Soggy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Move mouse and click faster is a big deal when it’s the only way you can interact with the world. And it’s just a mouse right now, but what about robotic hands? A thought-controlled wheelchair? A tiny bit of agency? Technology is iterative and built on failure, and you want to tell the people trapped in non-functional bodies that it will never get any better?

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      • Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Move mouse and click faster is a big deal when it’s the only way you can interact with the world.

        I feel like I’m doing nothing but repeating this: the only way to do that is not with an implant! It’s not implant or nothing!

        And it’s just a mouse right now, but what about robotic hands? A thought-controlled wheelchair? A tiny bit of agency? Technology is iterative and built on failure, and you want to tell the people trapped in non-functional bodies that it will never get any better?

        It is not those things, and I’m going to need you to step way the fuck back since your starting premise is that I’m not physically disabled and have no loved ones that are or could benefit from safe, effective adaptive technology. Maybe if it was your cousin or sister you’d have a little more concern about just tossing them into a meat grinder because some tech bro thinks “go fast, break things” is a policy that can and should be translated to human health.

        I do not and will not accept disabled people being sacrificed in the name of progress. They can’t even do this shit in fucking monkeys, bro. Come on.

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    • HauntedCupcake@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      It’s experimental tech, I wouldn’t want to be the Guinea pig either.

      However, if I was quadriplegic and could only use the somewhat limited external tech, and a significant portion of my life was interacting with a computer. Fuck yeah the risk is worth a performance boost. Especially considering this is going to be a lot safer and more powerful when it hits the mass market

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      • Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        There is no such thing as an implant or surgery with no risk of sepsis or rejection. The risk may be low in young, healthy patients (ie, not people who are quadriplegic because that leads to many other health concerns with surgeries), but it’s never zero.

        If you’re cool with risking that, okay, that’s your body. Personally I want to live.

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• BottleOfAlkahest@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Not the person you were responding too but I’d love to learn more about these toys/tech. Are there some key words that would help me search? I’m having some trouble sifting through the search results.

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  • curiousPJ@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    www.newegg.com/p/N82E16826100006

    Neural Impulse Actuator or brain-computer interface.

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  • ramirezmike@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I think the most famous one was the star wars jedi force trainer? Some people say it’s fake but… it’s like a headset you put on that they claim reads your brain waves and it controls a little fan that switches on and off to make a ball in a tube float

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  • Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    They’re usually marketed as “mind control” toys and are operated with a headset that sends a signal to hidden fans that control whatever object it is you’re supposed to be manipulating. Mattel came out with one called Mindflex that’s pretty complicated looking and has a matching price tag, there are some cheaper Star Wars branded ones too. Not sure what brand I tried as it was over a decade ago, but it was a two player game where you tried to move the ball towards the other player along a track.

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