Comment on Stack Overflow bans users en masse for rebelling against OpenAI partnership — users banned for deleting answers to prevent them being used to train ChatGPT

Simon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Because being able to delete your data from social networks you no longer wish to participate in or that have banned you is a privacy argument that actually matters, regardless of AI. In regards to AI, the problem is not with AI in general but with proprietary for-profit AI getting trained with open resources, even those with underlying license agreements that prevent that information being monetized.

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  • Simon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Now this is something I can get behind. But I was talking about the decision to retaliate in the first place.

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• Allero@lemmy.today ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Because none of the big companies listen to the privacy argument. Or any argument, really.

  AI in itself is good, amazing, even.

  I have no issue with open-source, ideally GPL- or similarly licensed AI models trained on Internet data.

  But involuntarily participating in training closed-source corporate AI’s…no, thanks. That shit should go to the hellhole it was born in, and we should do our best to destroy it, not advocate for it.

  If you care about the future of AI, OpenAI should long be on your enemy list. They expropriated an open model, they were hypocritical enough to keep “open” in the name, and then they essentially sold themselves to Microsoft. That’s not the AI future we should want.

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• Cethin@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Were in a capitalist system and these are for-profit companies, right? What do you think their goal is. It isn’t to help you. It’s to increase profits. That will probably lead to massive amounts of jobs replaced with AI and we will get nothing for giving them the data to train on. It’s purely parasitic. You should not advocate for it.

  If it’s open and not-for-profit, it can maybe do good, but there’s no way this will.

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  • dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Why can’t they increase profits, by you know, making the product better.

    Do they have to make things shitter to save money and drive away people thus having to make it more shitter.

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    • Cethin@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      If they make it better that may increase profits temporarily, as they draw customers away from competitors. Once you don’t have any competitors then the only way to increase profits is to either decrease expenses or increase revenue. Increasing revenue is limited if you’re already sucking everything you can.

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      • dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        And is it wrong to stop at a certain amount of profit.

        Why they always want more. I ain’t that greedy.

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  • VirtualOdour@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Meta and Google have done more for open source ai than anyone else, I think a lot of antis don’t really understand how computer science works so you imagine it’s like them collecting up physical iron and taking it into a secret room never to be seen again.

    The actual tools and math is what’s important, research on best methods is complex and slow but so far all these developments are being written up in papers which anyone can use to learn from - if people on the left weren’t so performative and lazy we could have our own ai too

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    • Cethin@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I studied computer science in university. I know how computer science works.

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• iltg@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  humanity progress is spending cities worth of electricity and water to ask copilot how to use a library and have it lie back to you in natural language? please make this make sense

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  • Simon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    ??? So why don’t we get better at making energy than get scared about using a renewable resource. Fuck it let’s just go back to the printing press.

    Amazing to me how stuff like this gets upvoted on a supposedly progressive platform.

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• Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Hating on everything AI is trendy nowdays. Most of these people can’t give you any coherent explanation for why. They just adopt the attitude of people around them who also don’t know why.

  I believe the general reasoning is something along the lines of not wanting bad corporations to profit from their content for free. So it’s just a matter of principle for the most part. We need to wait for someone to train LLM on the freely available to everyone data on Lemmy and then we can interview it to see what’s up.

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  • Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Mega co operations like Microsoft, Google are evil. Very easy explanation. Even if it was a good open source company scraping the data to train ai models, people should be free to delete the datta they input. It’s pretty simple to understand.

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• VirtualOdour@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Why do people roll coal? Why do vandalize electric car chargers? Why do people tie ropes across bike lanes?

  Because a changing world is scary and people lash out at new things.

  The coal rollers think they’re fighting a vallient fight against evil corporations too, they invested their effort into being a car guy and it doesn’t feel fair that things are changing so they want to hurt people benefitting from the new tech.

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  • Simon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The deeper I get into this platform the more I realize the guise of being ‘progressive, left, privacy-conscious, tech inclined’ is literally the opposite.

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• Facebones@reddthat.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Good to know as capitalism flounders this modern Red Scare extends into tech.

  You’re explicitly ignoring everything everyone is saying just cause you want to call everyone technocommies lmfao.

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  • Simon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    When you say those words do you imagine normal people reading this and not laughing

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    • Facebones@reddthat.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      When you say those words do you imagine yourself as normal people?

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