Comment on Stack Overflow bans users en masse for rebelling against OpenAI partnership — users banned for deleting answers to prevent them being used to train ChatGPT

0oWow@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• TheOneCurly@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I can only really speak to reddit, but I think this applies to all of the user generated content websites. The original premise, that everyone agreed to, was the site provides a space and some tools and users provide content to fill it. As information gets added, it becomes a valuable resource for everyone. Ads and other revenue streams become a necessary evil in all this, but overall directly support the core use case.

  Now that content is being packaged into large language models to be either put behind a paywall or packed into other non-freely available services. Since they no longer seem interested in supporting the model we all agreed on, I see no reason to continue adding value and since they provided tools to remove content I may as well use them.

  source

  • 0oWow@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    But from the very beginning years ago, it was understood that when you post on these types of sites, the data is not yours, or at least you give them license to use it how they see fit. So for years people accepted that, but are now whining because they aren’t getting paid for something they gave away.

    source

    • TheOneCurly@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      This is legal vs rude. It certainly is legal and was in the terms of service for them to use the data in any way they see fit. But, also it’s rude to bait and switch from being a message board to being an AI data source company. Users we led to believe they were entering into an agreement with one type of company and are now in an agreement with a totally different one.

      You can smugly tell people they shouldn’t have made that decision 15 years ago when they started, but a little empathy is also cool.

      source
• Emotet@slrpnk.net ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It’s not shared for public benefit, though. OpenAI, despite the Open in their name, charges for access to their models. You either pay with money or (meta)data, depending on the model.

  Legally, sure. You signed away your rights to your answers when you joined the forum. Morally, though?

  People are pissed that SO, that was actively encouraging Mods to use AI detection software to prevent any LLM usage in the posted questions and answers, are now selling the publicly accessible data, made by their users for free, to a closed-source for-profit entity that refuses to open itself up.

  Basically the same story as with reddit.

  source

  • golli@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Agreed. As you said it’s a similar situation as with reddit, where I decided to delete my comments.

    My reasoning is that those contributions were given under the premise that everybody was sharing to help each other.

    Now that premise has changed: the large tech companies are only taking and the platform providers are changing the rules aswell to profit from it.

    So as a result I packed my things and left, in case of reddit to here.

    That said I think both views are valid and I wouldn’t fault those that think differently.

    source
• LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Lol it ain’t for public benefit unless it’s a FOSS model with which I’d have no issue

  source

  • possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Well no, when you post something it is public and out of your control

    source

    • LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      No, you can’t post something in public and have it appropriated by a mega corp for money and then prevent you from deleting or modifying the very things you posted.

      source

      • possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You agreed to it

        source
• gencha@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It is your content. But SE specifically only accepts CC licensed content, which makes you right.

  source