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DarkGamer@kbin.social 6 months agoIf you're going to define your movement as anti-genocidal you should really have a firm grasp on what genocide is and who is committing it:
Article II of the Convention defines genocide as:
... any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
- (a) Killing members of the group;
- (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
- (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
- (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
- (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
Hamas, what Israel has been clear they intend to destroy, is not a national, ethnical, racial or religious group. However, Jews/Israel/Israelis, what Hamas has been clear they intend to destroy, are. Therefore, legally Oct 7 was an act of genocide, and Israel's war on Hamas is not. Such a designation has nothing to do with body count.
I support Israel because I oppose the genocidal. Binding their hands and preventing them from retaliating in self-defense only serves to support genocidal Hamas by keeping them in power.
Wow, the logic in the post is so non-existent I half expect you to make up dumb bullshit along the way
Therefore, legally Oct 7 was an act of genocide, and Israel’s war on Hamas is not. Such a designation has nothing to do with body count.
Exactly like claiming a single attack is genocide, but a sustained campaign of bombing homes, refugee camps, and evacuation corridors isn’t.
Did you read the legal definition of genocide I posted above? Once again, the definition literally has nothing to do with body count. Call it a massacre, call it a slaughter, call it any number of terms for things you think are bad and don't like, but calling it a genocide is inaccurate, as I have shown above.
Did "you* read past point #2? In your own list?
Guessing not.
its always frightening to cone across people who rationalize the mass killing of women and children. Israelis speak candidly to reporter about Palestinians.
Racism and collateral damage exist, therefore Israel shouldn't be able to defend themselves against a genocidal foe? What's frightening is your reasoning.
Jakaan@lemmy.world 6 months ago
DarkGamer@kbin.social 6 months ago
Because everyone who disagrees with you is a shill? Please.
Sanctus@lemmy.world 6 months ago
No, because Israel has clearly committed most acts on your neatly bulleted list and your condescending remarks make you look like an idiot demanding their opinions be facts.
DarkGamer@kbin.social 6 months ago
They didn't say they thought I was wrong, they said I was a paid shill. Nice attempt at moving the goalposts though.
Work on your reading comprehension, that alone does not a genocide make. It requires an intent to destroy a protected group in whole or in part in addition to one or more of those items.
yeahiknow3@lemmy.world 6 months ago
The problem is, there’s nothing to disagree about here. Killing children is bad. If you’re killing children, you’re bad. I’m not sure how much more simple the situation could be.
DarkGamer@kbin.social 6 months ago
That is but one of many reasons to oppose Hamas. Conflating their actions on Oct 7 (content warning: NSFL, cruelty, violence, death) with collateral damage caused while defending and retaliating against them is inappropriate, wrong, and in incredibly bad taste.
Your energy would be better spent objecting to those who provoked this war while using said children as human shields, hiding among civilians, and using otherwise protected areas as military assets. They are the ones subjecting children and civilians to danger and causing these deaths.
Israel has the right to defend itself even though collateral damage exists, and Hamas hiding among their own children does not make them immune from reprisals. If this strategy worked, we could expect more children and other civilians to be subjected to danger in the future as human shields.
My moral rules are applied consistently, I support our modern, western allies who care about civil liberties, and are defending themselves against genocidal opponents. I oppose genocidal belligerent Islamists who attack civilians. Not going to go to support for a group that would throw me off a building and opposes the enlightenment by forcing Israel to stop attacking them before they are deposed, and doing so is not a good deed.
The best way to keep civilians safe is to let Israel finish the job, because Hamas puts them at risk and is more than happy to kill them or let them die if it serves their geopolitical interests and makes Israel look bad.