Let’s say he loses 10% of his supporters from supporting Israel, but 20% not supporting them.
Either way he loses the general election. But it doesn’t mean he’s not doing the most popular thing. Both options suck for him, politically.
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natural_motions@lemmynsfw.com 2 months agoOk, and if he loses you’d change your mind about the popularity of supporting genocide?
ripcord@lemmy.world 2 months ago
natural_motions@lemmynsfw.com 2 months ago
Yes, it’s possible to make up whatever statistics you want, that is true.
The reality is most people who are going to vote for him don’t care about foreign affairs or that he’s committing genocide, which is different than actively being pro-genocide. Foreign policy is towards the bottom of many people’s list during elections.
He could stop his support for genocide tomorrow and the “vOtE bLu nO mAtTeR wHo” morons would still vote for him like trained seals. So he has little to lose by going anti-genocide and a lot to lose by cintinuing to support it and alienating huge swaths of his base.
ripcord@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I’m using an example to illustrate that losing the election wouldn’t necessarily mean he did the most unpopular thinh.
mean_bean279@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I hope you realize I cannot change American opinions and popularity of supporting Israel and their war. I have no power over that. None.
If Biden loses the election I hope you’re ready to see what America can really do to help speed up the violence. It’s bad enough we’re providing material support, but Trump will stop the investigations we have into Israeli command and groups within the military that we have been sanctioning.
It’s important you again read the statistics. In swing states people are HIGHLY likely to support Israel. There is no way that this near unwavering support isn’t calculated into the re-election campaign. Just because some people voted uncommitted doesn’t suddenly mean jack shit. You’re letting your feelings dictate reality.
So he won the state by 154,000 votes last time. If those people vote uncommitted in the 24 election (and I’m betting 70% will vote Biden anyways) he is still up 54,000 votes. Of which those could be heavily rural voters who are likely to support Israel. This is also not the actual election, in which people are likely to vote for the lesser of two evils than the moral vote they made in a non-critical race.
The reality of our current situation in the US means we’re needing to go slightly left of ultra right, with the hope of eventually, in a few elections, being back on the hardcore progressive train (come back Teddy Roosevelt). We have a lot of olds that are still voting heavier than younger people.
natural_motions@lemmynsfw.com 2 months ago
What investigation? We don’t need an investigation, the Israeli command told us exactly what they were going to do before they did it. They said they were going to starve Gazans, they said Gazans were collectively guilty, they said they were going to target hospitals and schools, they said they were lifting restraints on IDF soldiers. The soldiers are literally posting their war crimes to social media. This is some clown cope shit. Don’t talk about this kind of nonsense to me again. An investigation, jesus christ.
What else? We might not have a leader who bothers to wring their hands over the genocide they’re funding? Or let me guess, Trump will send them 2,000 lb bombs instead of 1,900 lb ones.
Also you two seconds later:
Your complete guess that 70% will flinch is not worth anything. And 50k is not a margin of victory that indicates popularity of genocide and it certainly doesn’t guarantee his win, particularly as primaries played similarly across multiple states. Even NYC, where they don’t let you vote uncommitted, 15% of people went out to explicitly leave the ballot blank. 12% statewide. And those are the people who could be arsed to come out, how many people do you “bet” aren’t going to bother at all in November?
Considering your desperation here to try and explain how popular support for genocide is, I somehow doubt you’re as cocksure about how well it will serve as a motivating factor for Biden support as your words try to make out.
This bullshit doesn’t convince anymore. No one believes this when it’s been 40 years of “just a few more elections and we’ll stop moving to the right, pinky promise lol”. No. This is the end of neoliberalism and of Israel controlling the narrative, one way or another. People see through it.
Biden may indeed try to crash our democracy fullspeed into the wall, but the people persist regardless and they’re stronger than a bunch of empty corporate suits wringing their hands over where they’re going to get their lobby money if things get disrupted. So yeah, I hope you’re ready too, because you certainly don’t sound ready even for what’s already happening right at this very moment.