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Comment on Google layoffs: Sundar Pichai-led company fires entire Python team for ‘cheaper labour’

doublejay1999@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

Please treat this as an explanation, and not an apology for big tech. If you work tech, or are thinking about, understand the rules of the game :

First, a new skill goes hot - maybe functionally superior, may just be a trend. In tech, it’s always the new shiny.
Demand for skills outstrips supply
Salaries go up !
Big tech flex, offer big money to hoover up the talent. Sometimes it’s for projects, sometimes it’s just to keep them out of the hands of competition, in case the trend becomes a standard
Time passes
Chasing big salaries, lots of people acquire the skill.
Supply outstrips demand, skill becomes a commodity.
Salaries come down
Big Tech is still paying huge salaries, for skills that may have stopped trending, but at the very least - are now available at market at a much lower rate. If you include globalisation, it could be 30% of what they are paying.
The high salary hires get cut, because there’s a new skill trending, or, the same skill is now available at much lower rate .
Everyone is shocked !

This has been tech workers life cycle for at least 30 years, and I don’t see it changing

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huginn@feddit.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
You’re missing the whole “growth starts to plateau so management looks for ways to cut costs”

And

“Product comparatively stable so it gets hired out to contractors who inevitably fuck it up because they’re cheap and there was 0 knowledge transfer but it’s too late you laid off the entire original team”

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UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

Big Tech is still paying huge salaries, for skills that may have stopped trending

I gotta say, we live in some truly rarified space when fucking Python, possibly the best programming language developed in my lifetime, stops “trending”. I don’t even know what that’s supposed to mean from a business perspective. Its not like you just get to stop supporting a legacy language. Just ask someone who spent seven years, fresh out of college, supporting archaic old school ASP pages and Perl scripts.

But also you’re not just supporting the language. You’re supporting an entire suite of libraries, applications, and interfaces built for the particular environment.

Elon Musk learned this the hard way when he started trying to tear the wiring out of the walls and sell it for scrape at Twitter.

Also, the story of Boeing’s planes-that-don’t-fly-good.

This has been tech workers life cycle for at least 30 years, and I don’t see it changing

Longer than 30, to be sure. But its the sort of thing that comes at the expense of end users, rather than business execs. That’s the dirty secret behind these business decisions. Making the product worse only ever seems to benefit the firm’s bottom line when a business is in a secure cartel.

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- lolcatnip@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Python is great for what it is, but the best language developed in your lifetime? Its type system is janky and bolted on. A good type system is one of the main things I look for to call a programming language great.
  
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  - acockworkorange@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    It’s a scripting language, its typing system is more than adequate.
    
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    lolcatnip@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    It’s my favorite scripting language, but far from my favorite language overall.
    
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  - UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    
    Its type system is janky and bolted on.
    
    I’ve got to disagree
    
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    dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    Go check C# or Typescript and then come back.
    
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    half_built_pyramids@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    Collin, Tony, or Guido? Which one are you?
    
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- Zink@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  
  That’s the dirty secret behind these business decisions. Making the product worse only ever seems to benefit the firm’s bottom line when a business is in a secure cartel.
  
  This, as with enshittification in general, is a symptom of our fucked up culture that views money as a virtue. And with the business culture in particular, regardless of cartel or monopoly status, if the bottom line gets better the managers are doing a “good job” and almost nobody cares about inconveniences to customers or tarnishing of the brand.
  
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bitfucker@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Where is the “legacy system needs to be maintained, salary goes up”? But yeah, it’s a pretty good picture of the tech landscape

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vin@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Sounds like these CEOs suck at CEOing

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