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• ivanafterall@kbin.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The cops are literally the ones walking into the crowds hurting the protestors. So you get rid of the cops.

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  • stevedidwhat_infosec@infosec.pub ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I already asked this but I’m gonna repeat it here for clarity, are cops the only people hurting innocent people at protests?

    Charlottesville, Virginia (2017): White supremacist drives car into counter protestors

    Minneapolis, Minnesota (2020): Tanker truck drives through a crowd of George Floyd protestors.

    Seattle, Washington (2020): Police brutality protest, driver drives through a crowd yet again.

    New York City, New York (2017): IED sucide bomber inspired by ISIS in the subway.

    Portland, Oregon (2020): Several incidents regarding vehicle usage and other violence against protestors protesting george floyd

    Seems not. People are violent and there are threats to peaceful protesters. I am not saying that police snipers are the solution to this threat, and I am not saying cops are innocent, but to try and pretend that the *only *problem is cops, is disingenuous to the innocent people who have died due to hateful people and I’m not going to let you pretend otherwise, knowingly or otherwise.

    Say their names. Heather Heyer David McAtee Horace Lorenzo Anderson Jr Summer Taylor Secoriea Turner (8 fucking years old.) Garrett Foster Anthony Huber Joseph Rosenbaum

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    • M0oP0o@mander.xyz ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What a cute list, here is one for the police during only a 6 month period over one large event to show the stark difference between the dangers of strangers and the dangers of police at protests (who I might add where present at all your examples, so what was the point?)

      (in case you want to double check https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_police_violence_incidents_during_George_Floyd_protests) Sorry this might take a bit:

      • May 27, 2020 Memphis, Tennessee An officer was filmed using his police shield to shove a girl.[9]
      • May 27, 2020 Minneapolis, Minnesota Police fired projectiles at protesters, damaging a woman’s eye.[10]
      • May 28, 2020 Albuquerque, New Mexico Police fired tear gas at protesters who followed officers as they made arrests.[11]
      • May 28, 2020 Denver, Colorado Peaceful protesters were gassed by police. Elisabeth Epps, a member of the Denver Police use-of-force committee, resigned her post after she was shot by police projectiles.[12]
      • May 28, 2020 Houston, Texas A Houston Police Department officer riding a horse was filmed trampling a woman. Mayor Sylvester Turner apologized for the incident.[13][14] The woman later filed a lawsuit against the Houston Police Department and the city of Houston.[15]
      • May 28, 2020 Minneapolis, Minnesota An officer in the tail car of a caravan of squad cars was filmed indiscriminately spraying a chemical agent out the window onto bicyclists and people in a crosswalk.[16]
      • May 28, 2020 Minneapolis, Minnesota A reporter from the Des Moines Register was pepper sprayed by police.[17]
      • May 29, 2020 Atlanta, Georgia An officer was filmed using his bicycle to shove a black woman who was protesting.[18]
      • May 29, 2020 Atlanta, Georgia An officer was filmed body-slamming a woman near Lenox Square Mall. The woman later sued the city of Atlanta.[19]
      • May 29, 2020 Columbus, Ohio Police fired a non-lethal projectile at a man, striking and shattering his knee.[20]
      • May 29, 2020 Columbus, Ohio A woman was hit by a police horse. The city of Columbus later agreed to pay $5.75 million to injured protesters.[21]
      • May 29, 2020 Columbus, Ohio Police pepper-sprayed and shoved a reverend.[21]
      • May 29, 2020 Columbus, Ohio Police fired a wooden bullet at a woman near a protest, striking her in the chin.[21]
      • May 29, 2020 Dallas, Texas A CBS news crew was caught in tear gas.[22]
      • May 29, 2020 Denver, Colorado KMGH-TV news crew reported police targeting them with paintballs and tear gas. Their photographer was shot four times and their camera was destroyed.[23]
      • May 29, 2020 Denver, Colorado Police fired a sponge-tipped projectile at a protester, hitting her eye.[24]
      • May 29, 2020 Denver, Colorado Police shot tear gas at a couple in a vehicle waiting at a traffic stop in Denver. When the man came out of the vehicle to confront the officers because his pregnant wife was in the vehicle, the officers ordered him to move along. He refused and the officers opened fire on him and the vehicle with pepper balls.[25]
      • May 29, 2020 Las Vegas, Nevada 80 people were arrested as police clashed with protesters on the Vegas strip, including two journalists. Charges against the two journalists were later dropped.[26][27]
      • May 29, 2020 Las Vegas, Nevada Officers were filmed rushing and tackling a protester. The Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department said the man was an agitator.[28]
      • May 29, 2020 Louisville, Kentucky A Louisville Metro Police Department officer was filmed firing pepper balls directly at a WAVE 3 News crew, hitting correspondent Kaitlin Rust and photojournalist James Dobson.[29][23]
      • May 29, 2020 Minneapolis, Minnesota CNN journalist Omar Jimenez and his three-person news crew were arrested by a group of Minnesota state police officers while reporting live on protests in response to the murder of George Floyd in Minneapolis, Minnesota.[30] According to Jimenez, he was arrested for failing to move back from the position where they were reporting after being ordered to, despite their media credentials being visible and valid, and their agreeing to move where directed.[31][32]
      • May 29, 2020 Minneapolis, Minnesota Swedish Expressen correspondent Nina Svanberg was shot with a rubber bullet and VG photojournalist Thomas Nilsson had a red laser sight trained on him.[33][34]
      • May 29, 2020 Minneapolis, Minnesota Journalist and author Linda Tirado was permanently blinded in one eye after police shot her with a non-lethal projectile.[35]
      • May 29, 2020 New York City, New York New York City Police Department officer Vincent D’Andraia shoved a woman, Dounya Zayer, to the ground at a protest in Brooklyn.[36] The officer was recorded throwing down the protester with both hands while allegedly calling her a “stupid fucking bitch”; the protester was hospitalized after the assault and said she suffered a seizure.[37] On June 9, the officer was charged with assault, criminal mischief, harassment and menacing.[38]
      • May 29, 2020 New York City, New York As police cars drove past protesters, an officer opened his passenger door, causing it to hit a protester. The suspected perpetrator received modified duty.[39]
      • May 29, 2020 New York City, New York Outside Barclays Center, police were filmed repeatedly striking protesters with clubs after they had fallen on the concrete.[40]
      • May 29, 2020 Omaha, Nebraska A man was shot in the eye with a pepper ball. A different person was shot by pepper balls in the groin, although it is not known exactly what date this occurred.[41][42]
      • May 29, 2020 Omaha, Nebraska Police fired tear gas at a line of protesters sitting in the street.[43]
      • May 29, 2020 Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania An officer threw a pepper spray container at a man.[44]
      • May 29, 2020 San Jose, California San Jose Police Department officer Jared Yuen drew national attention on social media due to videos of his behaviour. Yuen was videoed holding a projectile launcher, telling a protester “Shut up, bitch”, then within seconds he leaned around another officer to fire a projectile at close range, which caused a fight. In other videos, Yuen is filmed saying: “Let’s get this motherfucker”, or seen “smirking, licking his lips and rocking back and forth, looking a little too excited to be facing off with protesters”, reported San Jose Inside. The videos were viewed over 10 million times, and thousands called for Yuen’s firing. SJPD chief Eddie Garcia reacted that Yuen “let his emotions get the best of him, and it’s not right”, but he also called Yuen a “kid” and “good cop”, “who has put his life on the line for the city multiple times.” As a result, Yuen was removed from protest duties.[45][46][47]
      • May 29, 2020 San Jose, California A bias trainer was shot in the groin by riot guns.[48]
      • May 29, 2020 San Jose, California A former San Jose Planning Commissioner was pushed to the ground and repeatedly shot with impact munitions by police.[49]
      • May 30, 2020 Albany, New York Police used tear gas after a protest turned violent. Tear gas spread into a nearby home, causing a resident who inhaled some of it to suffer lingering health effects.[50]
      • May 30, 2020 Atlanta, Georgia Officers from the Atlanta Police Department pulled two black students from their car, broke a car window, and used tasers to shock them. This came after officers arrested a classmate of theirs whom they wanted to pick up; an officer ordered the students to continue driving, which they complied with. One officer claimed that one of the students possessed a gun, but no gun was found. One of the students stated that he was punched over 10 times in the back after being arrested. Within days, six officers were charged as a result of the incident; two were fired and four were put on administrative leave. The Fulton County District Attorney, Paul Howard, stated that the two college students were “innocent almost to the point of being naive”.[51][52][53]
      • May 30, 2020 Austin, Texas 16-year-old Levi Ayala suffered brain damage after being shot in the head with a less-lethal round by Austin police officer Nicholas Gebhart.[54][55][56] Gebhart and several other officers were later indicted for shooting protesters with non-lethal projectiles.[57]
      • May 30, 2020 Austin, Texas A deaf man was hit by less-lethal projectiles in the ear and crotch.[58]
      • May 30, 2020 Chicago, Illinois Journalist Jonathan Ballew was broadcasting the protest when he was allegedly assaulted with a chemical agent.[59]
      • May 30, 2020 Chicago, Illinois Police attacked actor John Cusack, who was filming the protest.[60]
      • May 30, 2020 Chicago, Illinois An officer beat a woman in her vehicle and wrongfully arrested her. In 2022 the officer faced dismissal for the incident.[61]
      • May 30, 2020 Cincinnati, Ohio An officer shoved a man from behind with a shield.[62]
      • May 30, 2020 Cincinnati, Ohio A singular protester standing with his hands raised was tear gassed.[62]
      • May 30, 2020 Cincinnati, Ohio Police fired pepper balls at a group of 20 people without warning.[62]
      • May 30, 2020 Cincinnati, Ohio Police shot a man taking photos in the eye with a marking round, causing the man to suffer vision problems. The man filed an excessive force complained but it was ruled not sustained, as the Citizen Complaint Authority was not able to determine which officer fired the round.[63]
      • May 30, 2020 Cleveland, Ohio A man lost sight in one eye after being hit with a beanbag round.[64]
      • May 30, 2020 Cleveland, Ohio A sheriff’s deputy fired beanbag round at a man passing out water, hitting him in the back of the head. The same deputy fired a beanbag that blinded a different man on the same date. The man hit with the beanbag round later filed a lawsuit.[65]
      • May 30, 2020 Columbus, Ohio Columbus Police were filmed pepper spraying Congresswoman Joyce Beatty, Commissioner Kevin Boyce, and Council President Shannon Hardin during a demonstration near the Ohio Statehouse.[66][67]

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      • M0oP0o@mander.xyz ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        • May 30, 2020 Columbus, Ohio 22-year-old Sarah Grossman was pepper-sprayed at a demonstration and later died in the hospital from what was determined to be natural causes.[68] An autopsy determined that Sarah Grossman died of coronary artery dissection due to Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome.[69]
        • May 30, 2020 Dallas, Texas Journalist Kevin Krause photographed a woman who said she had been walking home with groceries when she was struck in the forehead by a police projectile.[70]
        • May 30, 2020 Dallas, Texas Brandon Saenz, a 26-year-old black man, was at a protest outside City Hall when he was shot in the face with a non-lethal projectile by police. The projectile shattered the victim’s left eye.[71] In 2022 two of the officers who fired projectiles were indicted on multiple counts.[72]
        • May 30, 2020 Dayton, Ohio Police fired tear gas and beanbags at protesters. Protesters stated police fired at them without warning, while Dayton’s police chief said projectiles were fired in response to water bottles and rocks being thrown.[73]
        • May 30, 2020 Denver, Colorado Police shot a protester with a pepperball round, allegedly without provocation, as he filmed them.[74]
        • May 30, 2020 Denver, Colorado A non-protester was blinded in one eye after being struck by a police projectile. The victim was walking to his car when he was reportedly shot in the eye, drive-by style, by police.[75]
        • May 30, 2020 Detroit, Michigan As a crowd walked away from police, one individual was assaulted by police, physically and verbally. The protester was tackled by a second officer and sprayed by a third.[76]
        • May 30, 2020 Detroit, Michigan Police pepper sprayed several reporters.[77]
        • May 30, 2020 Erie, Pennsylvania A seated 21-year old protester was filmed being kicked to the ground by an officer.[78]
        • May 30, 2020 Fort Wayne, Indiana A protester was shot in one eye and blinded by police.[79]
        • May 30, 2020 Fort Wayne, Indiana A three-year-old girl was reported to have been intentionally gassed by police. According to the mother, who was not a protester, the officer “dead-looked at my daughter and threw the canister in front of her and it exploded up into her face.”[80]
        • May 30, 2020 Grand Rapids, Michigan One officer pepper sprayed a protester and seconds later another fired a tear gas canister into his upper body, hitting him in the shoulder.[81][82][83]
        • May 30, 2020 Harrisburg, Pennsylvania As people tried to help a fallen protester, they were pepper-sprayed.[84]
        • May 30, 2020 Kansas City, Missouri Several officers pepper sprayed a man who was yelling at them from the side of the street. Kansas City Police Chief Rick Smith defended the actions.[85]
        • May 30, 2020 Kansas City, Missouri A man was blinded in one eye after being hit by a police projectile. He later sued the city of Kansas City.[86]
        • May 30, 2020 Kansas City, Missouri An officer was photographed pepper spraying a man holding a sign above his head.[87]
        • May 30, 2020 La Mesa, California A protestor was shot by police with a “less-lethal” bean bag round between her eyes.[88]
        • May 30, 2020 La Mesa, California A woman walking near a protest in front of La Mesa’s police station was shot in the face by a police projectile.[89]
        • May 30, 2020 La Mesa, California A teenager driving his car near the La Mesa Police station was shot in the head by non-lethal projectiles.[90]
        • May 30, 2020 Las Vegas, Nevada A videographer sued the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department, alleging officers smacked his phone out of his hands and dragged him out of his car.[91]
        • May 30, 2020 Lawrenceville, Georgia A Gwinnett County Police officer punched a protester lying on the ground.[92]
        • May 30, 2020 Los Angeles, California Two protesters standing in a deserted street were shot by police rubber bullets.[93]
        • May 30, 2020 Los Angeles, California An officer shoved a reporter from behind, causing her to trip and hit her head on a fire hydrant.[94]
        • May 30, 2020 Los Angeles, California Police struck protesters with batons.[95]
        • May 30, 2020 Los Angeles, California A protester was struck in the face by a rubber bullet.[96]
        • May 30, 2020 Louisville, Kentucky A protester was shot in the back of the head by non-lethal projectiles. The man later filed a lawsuit against Louisville Police and State Police.[97]
        • May 30, 2020 Manassas, Virginia Virginia Delegate Lee Carter was hit by flash-bangs three times, twice while walking away.[98]
        • May 30, 2020 Minneapolis, Minnesota A group of 20 Minneapolis police were filmed marching down a residential street, ordering people on their front porches to go inside. After a few demands, one of the officers shouted “light 'em up!” and marker rounds were shot at them.[99]
        • May 30, 2020 Minneapolis, Minnesota Police forced a reporter to the ground and pepper-sprayed him.[100]
        • May 30, 2020 Minneapolis, Minnesota Veteran news photographer Tom Aviles was shot with a rubber-bullet and arrested.[101]
        • May 30, 2020 Minneapolis, Minnesota Police targeted a CBS news crew and strike a member with non-lethal projectiles.[102]
        • May 30, 2020 Minneapolis, Minnesota On May 30 and 31, Minnesota law enforcement slashed the tires of unoccupied vehicles parked near protests. Video of the incidents showed indiscriminate slashing of every vehicle in a Kmart parking lot. Several journalists were affected by the event. The Minnesota State Patrol and the Anoka County Sheriff’s Department admitted on June 8 to slashing tires. The Minnesota Department of Public Safety, which oversees the State Patrol stated that tires were slashed in “a few locations”, “in order to stop behaviors such as vehicles driving dangerously”. The Department further stated that some targeted vehicles contained potentially harmful items, to which Snopes commented that there appeared to be a logical “disconnect behind the idea of cutting tires when threatening objects were allegedly located inside” the vehicle.[103][104]
        • May 30, 2020 Minneapolis, Minnesota Police fired rubber bullets at a Swiss team of reporters.[105]
        • May 30, 2020 Minneapolis, Minnesota Police fired rubber bullets at a Reuters news crew.[106]
        • May 30, 2020 Minneapolis, Minnesota Police hit a journalist in the shin with a rubber bullet.[100]
        • May 30, 2020 Minneapolis, Minnesota An officer maced a photojournalist in the face.[107]
        • May 30, 2020 Minneapolis, Minnesota Police in an unmarked vehicle encountered 27-year-old Jaleel Stallings and several others guarding a gas station from looting in defiance of the curfew warning. Police fired rubber bullets at the group without warning or announcing themselves as police. Stallings returned fire with actual bullets, but surrendered when police identified themselves. Police beat Stallings for roughly 30 seconds after he surrendered. Stallings was charged with multiple charges including attempted murder but was acquitted in July 2021.[108][109]

        In late 2022, Justin Stetson, one of the officers who beat Stallings was charged with third-degree assault.[110] On May 8, 2023, prosecutors offered Stetson a plea deal allowing him to plead guilty to a misdemeanor and avoid jail time, which Stallings objected to.[111] Nonetheless, a judge accepted the plea agreement. Stenson pleaded guilty to third-degree assault and one count of misconduct as a public officer, with the condition he never work as a police officer in Minnesota again.[112] Stenson had already taken a disability retirement in August 2022 and the plea did not affect his state pension.[111]

        • May 30, 2020 Minneapolis, Minnesota Officers from the Saint Paul Police Department used tear gas and less lethal projectiles to prevent a crowd of protesters from crossing the Lake Street-Marshall Bridge from Minneapolis to Saint Paul.[113]
        • May 30, 2020 New York City, New York Two NYPD vehicles were recorded ramming into protesters[114] In April 2022 an oversight agency recommended discipline be taken against the officers involved.[115]
        • May 30, 2020 New York City, New York An officer approached a protester, ripped off the protester’s mask, and pepper-sprayed the protester in the face.[36]
        • May 30, 2020 New York City, New York A medical worker at the Kings County Hospital Center left work and came across officers chasing an individual, and began to record the incident. Officers began to beat the worker for about 90 seconds, causing bruises and a head wound that required seven staples to close.[116]
        • May 30, 2020 New York City, New York An officer arrested and struck a Huffington Post reporter with a baton after the reporter insulted the officer.[94]
        • May 30, 2020 Oakland, California A reporter was hit in the thigh by a rubber bullet.[77]
        • May 30, 2020 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania A police officer was filmed repeatedly striking a journalist with club.[117]
        • May 30, 2020 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania A SEPTA Police officer struck two protesters with a baton. The officer was fired in July 2020 and indicted on assault charges in October of that year.[118]
        • May 30, 2020 Phoenix, Arizona A photographer was hit in the head and back by police projectiles.[119]
        • May 30, 2020 Raleigh, North Carolina Police fired gas and non-lethal projectiles at protesters.[120]
        • May 30, 2020 Reno, Nevada Police shot a legal observer from the American Civil Liberties Union with rubber bullets.[121]
        • May 30, 2020 Richmond, Virginia Police sprayed a man through the window of his home as he recorded them.[122]
        • May 30, 2020 Rochester, New York Police fired pepper balls and tear gas canisters at a group of people following the damaging of several police cars.[123]
        • May 30, 2020 Rockford, Illinois Police struck a protester with batons and threw him to the ground. The Rockford Police Department stated that a board of police officials determined all officers had acted appropriately.[124]

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      • JustZ@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        God damn, owned.

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      • stevedidwhat_infosec@infosec.pub ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Alright, well, I’m gonna ignore the passive aggression, mostly because it doesn’t contribute to the conversation and is only damaging to an attempt at civility.

        My point, was that police aren’t the only danger. Like I said in my other comments to you and to others, but you’ve clearly misunderstood that point based on the other comments you’ve made to me, so I’ll reiterate here.

        Super clearly:

        “Police are undoubetdly part of, if not the majority of the problem. However, we face plenty of other threats from domestic and foreign terrorists in the state. I acknowledge that terrorism in the US has often been used as a scape goat (namely to invade the wrong fucking country - Afghanistan). However, I am identifying the issue of: How do we prevent these attacks and respond w/o the need for police. Which IS NOT implying that I think the police are the answer, but a call to constructive action to solve the problem w/o the need to OVER rely on the police as some kind of protector force. Which we BOTH agree, they are not.”

        Get it?

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• Xaphanos@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Folks are being deliberately dense and not answering your question. I replied above, but I’ll add that Sam Harris does tend to address this at length.

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  • stevedidwhat_infosec@infosec.pub ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I can’t say I’m a fan unfortunately. I didn’t like the majority of his discourse on racial profiling, his fascination with Islam (despite more abrahamic religions being pretty violent and hateful, even if they try to correct w/ new testaments), and especially on his discourse regarding race and intelligence which is pretty classic nazi/skin head shit tbh

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    • Xaphanos@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I mostly agree.

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