Comment on please defederate from exploding-heads.com and rammy.site

• seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  What do you think the paradox of tolerance is? The reason why I ask is because it’s commonly misunderstood, because the quote explaining it is taken out of context.

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  • aes@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    If you believe I used the term incorrectly please say so. As it stands you’re coming off as someone who knows a thing, and wants everyone else to know they know.

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    • seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I don’t know if you used the term incorrectly or not, because I can’t read your mind. It could either mean “You are naive like the paradox of tolerance warns us about” or “You are naive like the paradox of tolerance is”.

      The paradox is explicated by Karl Popper as

      Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise.

      When quoting this, people always use the first two sentences, but leave out the third.

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      • aes@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        First case; you cannot counter the intolerant philosophies seen on these instances using rational argument as they do not appeal to rational thought. And because of this, not despite it, public opinion allows inhumane indignities to be acted upon marginalised demographics.

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• funchords@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Also did you look at the instances in question yourself?

  No. I’m operating under the principle that anything that I have to experience by going elsewhere practically proves that it isn’t causing a problem here.

  You are aware that defederating from an instance won’t stop individual users from that instance joining yours?

  If defederation causes objectionable people that would otherwise leave the remaining network alone to – because they were defederated – to come here and everywhere and not leave other instances alone, then the best move from the network’s perspective is to remain federated. Right?

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