Comment on China abducted its own citizens on EU territory, report finds

booty@hexbear.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• 420blazeit69@hexbear.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This is not a good comparison and isn’t necessary to show this report is bullshit. It isn’t even internally coherent:

  “Indeed, the official methodology involves kidnapping,” Harth said. “Citizens are persuaded to return…”

  They’re talking about China telling its citizens to return, which is nothing like kidnapping, but they’re calling it that anyway to gin up outrage. Between that and the telltale “Chinese Communist Party” mislabeling, they’re obviously not interested in doing any sort of objective analysis.

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  • booty@hexbear.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I did not even click the link because it’s obvious on its face that it’s bullshit anti-china propaganda in like 7 different ways. My comment is essentially a steel-man argument: Even if I assume that the liberal bullshit propaganda is 100% true, the US is still far worse in every way.

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    • 420blazeit69@hexbear.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Ah, makes sense. I’d look more at the U.S. drone assassination program and its (actual) kidnapping and torture operations. That’s the best comparison to what this report alleges.

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      • booty@hexbear.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Well, I don’t appreciate the implication that the time I was in the wrong place at the wrong time so I got forced into the back of a stranger’s car at gunpoint and driven 30 minutes to the stranger’s HQ where I was then locked in a room and interrogated doesn’t count as “abduction” or “kidnapping”

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  • pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yes, the CCP is notorious for being super friendly when persuading people. They would never ever threaten a person’s entire family to get people to step in line.

    Grabbing a person off the streets and throwing them into a van isn’t the only method of kidnapping.

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    • 420blazeit69@hexbear.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Pg. 18 of the full report, linked in the post:

      Ye is the former mayor of Chuanliao Town Government in Qingtian County, Zhejiang. Accused of bribery, he fled to Milan, Italy, in July 2001.

      In December 2014, the Zhejiang Public Security Department and the Protectorate sent a joint working group to Italy and Spain to carry out persuade to return operations of fugitives from the Lishui and Wenzhou areas.

      After being persuaded face-to-face by the working group, Ye flew back to China with the working group to surrender himself on December 23, 2014.

      Not only is there no evidence of what you’re suggesting, but this anti-China group’s own report paints a pretty mundane picture.

      Their strategy is to create an unfalsifiable position:

      1. Print a bunch of “China Bad” bullshit, like this report.
      2. People skim the headlines and think "China Bad."
      3. Other people read the report and point out how the facts presented don’t show anything objectionable.
      4. The first group thinks “but we all know China Bad, so I’ll just read that into the facts, no matter how tame they are.”

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    • ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      See this is the kind of sarcasm that only works if you’re in a space that has also uncritically accepted the output of the world’s biggest system of disinformation.

      Also it’s CPC, not CCP. Dead giveaway as to where you get your scholarly reading.

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• AOCapitulator@hexbear.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  We love imprisoning people, blowing them up extra judicially, and deporting our veterans so we don’t have to support them, and sometimes we even blow them up extrajudicially after we deport them!

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• BrikoX@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Source? From my experience, US goes in the opposite direction. They keep inventing new reasons to kick people out. Their Title 42 is a perfect example of how they circumvent their Title 8 protections.

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  • booty@hexbear.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Source?

    bjs.ojp.gov/…/prisoners-2022-statistical-tables

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    • BrikoX@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Well, you and I use a different definition of abduction. While I’ll give you that some of those people are probably imprisoned wrongly, the majority are there because of their own actions. I wouldn’t fault China imprisoning someone for breaking their laws (even if I disagree with the law), I also don’t fault US for imprisoning people for breaking their laws. Treatment of those prisoners is a different question altogether.

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      • GarbageShoot@hexbear.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Your definition of abduction apparently includes persuading people to go somewhere, so I think there are many lacks in terms of definitions here.

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      • booty@hexbear.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Here’s the definition I use, it’s quite common

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  • wahming@monyet.cc ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Probably a false equivalence to the prisoner population, as if China doesn’t have any prisons and it wasn’t an entirely different issue

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