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• Gabu@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Pray tell, when did we achieve AGI so that you can say this with such conviction? Oh, wait, we didn’t - therefore the path there is still unknown.

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  • melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Okay, this is no more a step to AGI than the publication of ‘blindsight’ or me adding tamarind paste to sweeten my tea.

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  • Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    When the Jewish made their first mud golem ages ago?

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• evranch@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  We may not even “need” AGI. The future of machine learning and robotics may well involve multiple wildly varying models working together.

  LLMs are already very good at what they do (generating and parsing text and making a passable imitation of understanding it).

  We already use them with other models, for example Whisper is a model that recognizes speech. You feed the output to an LLM to interpret it, use the LLM’s JSON output with a traditional parser to feed a motion control system, then back to an LLM to output text to feed to one of the many TTS models so it can “tell you what it’s going to do”.

  Put it in a humanoid shell or a Spot dog and you have a helpful robot that looks a lot like AGI to the user. Nobody needs to know that it’s just 4 different machine learning algorithms in a trenchcoat.

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  • melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    passable imitation of understanding

    Okay so there are things they’re useful for, but this one in particular is fucking… Not even nonsense.

    Also, the ml algos exponentiate necessary clock cycles with each one you add.

    So its less a trench coat and more an entire data center

    And it still can’t understand; its still just sleight of hand.

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    • evranch@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      And it still can’t understand; its still just sleight of hand.

      Yes, thus “passable imitation of understanding”.

      The average consumer doesn’t understand tensors, weights and backprop. They haven’t even heard of such things. They ask it a question, like it was a sentient AGI. It gives them an answer.

      Passable imitation.

      You don’t need a data center except for training, either. There’s no exponential term as the models are executed sequentially. You can even flush the huge LLM off your GPU when you don’t actively need it.

      I’ve already run basically this entire stack locally and integrated it with my home automation system, on a system with a 12GB Radeon and 32GB RAM. Just to see how well it would work and to impress my friends.

      You yell out “$wakeword, it’s cold in here. Turn up the furnace” and it can bicker with you in near-realtime about energy costs before turning it up the requested amount.

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      • melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        One of the engineers who wrote ‘eliza’ had like a deep connection to and relationship with it. Who wrote it.

        Painting a face on a Spinny door will make people form a relationship with it. Not a measure of ago.

        gives them an answer

        ‘An answer’ isnt hard. Magic 8 ball does that. So does a piece of paper that says “drink water, you stupid cunt” This makes me think you’re arguing from commitment or identity rather than knowledge or reason. Or you just don’t care about truth.

        Yeah they talk to it like an agi. Or a search engine (which are a step to agi, largely crippled by llm’s).

        Color me skeptical of your claims in light of this.

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• Honytawk@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  To create general AI, we first need a way for computers to communicate proficiently with humans.

  LLMs are just that.

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  • melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Its not though. It’s autocorrect. It is not communication. It’s literally autocorrect.

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    • weker01@feddit.de ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That is not an argument. Let me demonstrate:

      Humans can’t communicate. They are meat. They are not communicating. It’s literally meat.

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      • melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Spanish is not English. Its spanish.

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