And all of them will be borderline useless for actual compute
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DataCrime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day agoThere’s probably going to be a large data center or 10 for sale in a few years 🤞🏻
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DataCrime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 hours ago
How so? Is the hardware that special? One computer is much like the next you just have to be creative in repurposing them. Linux runs on millions of devices that a great deal of the population would consider highly obsolete. Just an example, I’m not saying that that’s the actual answer to this question. It might be, I’m just kind of completely ignorant as to what kind of hardware these companies are installing… It sounds like a lot of memory and a lot of GPU power.
Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Sociologically, economically and environmentally, these data centers aren’t going to be feasible. Our planet can not sustain them. You can build a nuclear energy site in every state, you will have fails and net losses, you will have nuclear, biological and chemical contamination along the way amd you will destroy lives trying to make a form of automation better.
That is what the observation I’ve had is. Is unless we put these things near propane sources or have them generating their own c02 as a coolant or having them do anything else but use water based energy even nuclear rods being soaked for steam based energy isn’t going to save the data centers it will only make things worse.
Also nuclear power plants are just massive targets for enemies. Right now it’s airforce bases and potential silos, you add nuclear power plants intkt he mix and have those in major civilian areas that’s now something an enemy can leverage. Bet you all never thought of that one.
I think we will see the effort aof Ai die out and it will be the world coming back to its senses and it’ll be one for the history books.
The future will be like, we gave up artificial intelligence because our planet would get fucked badly.
It’s not meant for this planet and trying to make it work out is a fatal, futile, worthless endeavor.
AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 10 hours ago
Well they will probably be massively over capacity. But then you could run the for half a day during sunlight hours and just use solar. Solar and wind basically gives us near infinite super cheap energy at certain times, so you could still make use of those compute centers. Turn them off during the night, modernize the cooling and noise dampening, add some solar and you can use the compute to run models to create new medicines like anti-cancer meds or protein folding. Unlikely that’s going to happen but that is what a sane civilization would do with all that compute.
Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
modernize the cooling
You’re not going to be able to remove the amount of heat they use with wind or evaporative methods, you need refrigerants. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascade_refrigeration is where it’s at.
You can build a modified kegerator and make it into a chiller future4200.com/t/chiller-hack-diy/220. Chillers are easy to make and if you look around they’re wildly abundant.
The thing is, is the amount it would take and what it would take to keep it going effectively would mean down time and because they’re greedy fucking assholes they don’t want down time because that means money lost
Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
to run models to create new medicines like anti-cancer meds
They are. They’re using it an almost every field of medicine and science. Theoretical Physicists are loving AI. MIT Loves it. pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12232943/
DataCrime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 hours ago
I think you explained it well… My father got let go from GE when their nuclear power plant business collapsed.
I call us a nuclear family as a bit of dry humor. That said I still hold out some hope for it as a viable means of energy production. The two key meltdowns that took it off the game board were preventable human error.
Chernobyl is an environmental nightmare… but largely caused by combination of ignorance and hubris. Three Mile Island could have gone much worse… nobody died, no significant contamination. More recently Fukushima… but again, had the backup generators been properly elevated above historical flood levels it would not have been a meltdown.
Solar has some environmental concerns that are currently being largely ignored. The panels currently used some nasty stuff that stays hidden in china where the bulk of them are produced… but there are advances in new panel chemistry on a regular basis, hopefully a few of those will scale.
Hydro can be done well, it generally isn’t, but there’s some notable exceptions, Niagara Falls comes to mind.
But ultimately all that would be a complete waste on Ai… I don’t think the reliability will ever quite get there. It has its applications, always has… but general intelligence isn’t really one of them, IMHO. That said I know scores of people that are not even 92% accurate, so who knows? ;-) I certainly wouldn’t mind a robot slave to do my chores… but Ai isn’t really the issue there. You don’t need a “thinking machine” to do laundry and vacuum. Thought I suppose you didn’t need an Android either…
Robot vacuums seem to work quite well, and once someone makes an affordable automatic washing machine capable of being loaded with a hopper and spitting nicely folded clothes out the other end you don’t need an anthropomorphic robot. The value there is only in adapting to a world of appliances built for bipeds.
But as humans (in the royal sense) we do a lot of dumb things that could more easily be handled with a phone call/email/video chat.
Basing anything on a finite resource like natural gas is ultimately the wrong idea… Hopefully, we perfect something better, I really don’t care what it is as long as it’s better :-)
cdzero@lemmy.ml 12 hours ago
“Just pickup an old data centre on the cheap and slap Linux on it”
The next step in selfhosting.