youre deliberately misinterpreting the concept of intersectionality.
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Dra@lemmy.zip 1 month agoThis robs people of their individual context. The UK Prime Ministers wife is Indian and astonishingly privileged. You see suggesting a poor mine worker from Romania is somehow more privileged.
Lumping people into loose categories (particularly based on skin colour) and then prescribing loose values to them is fascist and racist.
kristina@hexbear.net 1 month ago
Dra@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
I’m not deliberately mistinterpreting anything, if I don’t understand something, then explain it to me.
Incredibly privileged of you to assume everyone else has your spoilt middle class educational background
frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 1 month ago
You’re posting to a niche reddit-clone that you only could’ve reliably found out about through either reddit, twitter, or mastodon. You have access to Google, you disingenuous twit.
Dra@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Not relevant, it’s not my job to Google your arguments that I don’t know exist. If you wish to correct me on something, please do!
Ho_Chi_Chungus@hexbear.net 1 month ago
Incredibly privileged of you to assume everyone else has your spoilt middle class educational background
berdly-actually uhm, actually, it is in fact YOU who is the privileged one in this scenario
LeninsBeard@hexbear.net 1 month ago
kristina@hexbear.net 1 month ago
if I don’t understand something, then explain it to me.
ok so you have deliberately removed as many brain cells as possible from your brain, understood 07
Dra@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Do you really think that you know all there is to know? Perhaps I know something that you don’t, but you don’t know what it is. What then?
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
This robs people of their individual context.
Is the context not that in STEM women often face sexism?
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 1 month ago
I honestly have to pretend that sexism in STEM is nowhere near as bad as I know it is for the sake of my own mental health. I’ve heard incredible stories of blatant sexism from colleagues and friends that I just can’t fathom
fossilesque@mander.xyz 1 month ago
I’ve had to defend a close friend from repeated advances and touching, she was an engineer, he was 40 years older than her. It’s a problem. I’ve had good friends get taken advantage of by a PI. Gross. It’s the power dynamic in academia too where one person controls the career outcome of the PhD student. It’s really nuts out there. It’s getting better but that takes time and awareness.
Dra@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Address what I said, not something else
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Is the individual context not that in STEM women often face sexism, not something else?
Dra@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Do you think that the Prime Ministers wife is less privileged than the Romanian miner? How would you address the discrepancy with the group prescription?
Adkml@hexbear.net 1 month ago
Lmao guck off you debate pervert
You don’t get to say a bunch of dumb shit then pose one thought terminating question to try to pigeonhole somebody into saying you’re technically not wrong on this one thing (even though you are) and refusing to engage with the dozens of people whonare explaining to you why you’re wrong about pretty much everything.
Dra@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
I have no issue being wrong, and I haven’t refused to engage with anyone on anything, and no one has explained anything that I haven’t addressed so thats a lie. Unlike a teenage edgelord, I’m willing to accept that I don’t know everything and I’m open to learning something. But when people start rattling off that certain groups of people are superior or inferior to justify the scapegoating of their problems because they came to that conclusion after watching other people do it, it merits further clarification.
OftenWrong@startrek.website 1 month ago
Not the “I know of this one poc that’s in a position of power and so white privilege doesn’t exist” argument lol
DinosaurThussy@hexbear.net 1 month ago
You misunderstand the concept of privilege. It’s not linear. Intersectionality was devised to solve this exact contradiction.
Dra@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Expand?
The_Jewish_Cuban@hexbear.net 1 month ago
Intersectionality is the idea that various forms of privilege and circumstance interact with each other to make an individual. Certain influences are more impactful upon a particular person’s circumstances, and thus influence privilege to a much greater extent. The non-linear nature that DinosaurThussy is talking about can better be shown with examples.
If you’re homeless and white it’s clear that you’re in a worse off situation than a billionaire who is black. Class status has a far greater influence on this situation. It would be fair to say that the black billionaire has more privilege due to his class status but not his ethnic identity. That being said, it’s unlikely that the white man was denied a job due to his race in a way a homeless black person may be. Being poor and white and poor and black have many commonalities, but intersectional analysis allows us to understand the different ways and avenues that particular characteristics influences the ways that a person may end up in a particular circumstance.
The idea continues on. A person who is a billionaire may be significantly shielded from a lot of racism, or face it in a less extreme way. For example, that proverbial black billionaire likely wouldn’t have many run ins with racist cops in impoverished neighborhoods. However, he still might face the unifying characteristic of being called a slur by his peers in the way that a poor black person might. His privilege of wealth may not complete inoculate him facing racism at all, even if he faces it in a less extreme way.
In essence, this situation is viewing individuals dialectic-ly. It seeks to understand how all of a person’s identity and circumstances relate to the struggles and oppression certain groups or people may face in society.
Dra@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
I empathise with most of this and thank you for bothering to respond without resorting to 4chan energy.
The problem that remains unresolved is the refusal of some people to acknowledge that, like in science, observation is not without cost. What ends up happening is the observation of these trends then causes casualties of blame - in your example we could say the huge population of white people who dont fundamentally see black people in any light other than equal. An insult based on a black billionaire being a greedy billionaire gets called racially charged, when actually, it’s entirely class based. This reliably means that (for example) white working class boys/girls are left to rot.
Personally I see most of these prejudicial issues being an exclusively American problem that has been exported abroad, to the extent now that its difficult to untangle.
Adkml@hexbear.net 1 month ago
That poor mine worker is still in a better position than an otherwise identical minority would be in the same position.
A poor mine worker is in a tough place but at least he wasn’t refused that job because the company doesn’t hire non white people.
Dra@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
This exporting US culture shit has got to stop
We aren’t talking about another mine worker. We are comparing 2 individuals with certain characteristics. You have instead decided to compare a third individual because the initial comparison made the concept break down
Just because someone is a certain color does not prescribe to them any specific value judgement. As soon as you do that, one of those categories becomes the ongoing scapegoat for everyone’s problems, and it becomes fascist.
AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 1 month ago
For example, just because a queer person is white does not mean they experience the same privilege as a cis het white person, would be one example of this
Or how all women are oppressed, but the tribulations of white women are Not the same as those facing women of color or trans women, for example