But of they federated they’ll be hosting a copy.
Comment on Lemmy.world seems to have banned the largest piracy community on Lemmy.
Adanisi@lemmy.zip 6 months agoI mean, it’s not on their server. It’s hosted on dbzer0.
can@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I guess the question is: if you host a public forum, are you liable for things posted on it, or on separate but linked forums?
Socsa@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
It doesn’t matter if you don’t have limitless money to pay lawyers
Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Comments like this sound like the “they write it off on tax” comments, where there’s this assumption about how complex things must work, but it can’t work exactly that way otherwise we would see it happening all the time.
CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 6 months ago
It doesn’t matter if you don’t have limitless money to pay lawyers
Since anyone can spin up a Lemmy server, at some point a rich person/persons will do so, which makes this a relevant question to ask.
castlebravo404@lemmynsfw.com 6 months ago
You might not have to pay damages. But you’re probably going to have to pay a hefty legal fee not to pay damages.
Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Copyright laws are actually very difficult to enforce when it comes to digital piracy. You have to prove loss of profit among other things.
Then, who do you sue? The person downloading the product? The person hosting the product? The person providing a link to the hosted data? The person providing a platform for people to link things? The person who allows their platform to federate with another platform that does?
If we’re talking about P2P sharing, then in a way no one is hosting the data.
In Australia when the Dallas Buyers Club case was being looked at, the studio was asking for a lot of money. Basically a big fat fine to be paid. The judge threw it out saying that the only reasonable damages for one person to pay would be the cost of the DVD because that was the value of the “theft”.
CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I guess the question is: if you host a public forum, are you liable for things posted on it, or on separate but linked forums?
I was thinking the same thing, as a legal question.
In the Fediverse, who’s the source/target for the law to look at, the originator, or all the cached copies on other servers?
skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl 6 months ago
Lemmy makes local copies of everything when federation occurs. It’s 100% on their server. The only exceptions are images posted as part of the comments, those are loaded directly. Then again, that adds the ability to add tracking pixels, so that’s not exactly great for a piracy community either.
Image loading example
Image I turned off all the logging for this proof of concept but this could’ve been a transparent PNG pixel that tracks every bit of information your browser will give it.
rimu@piefed.social 6 months ago
Oof, yeah that's bad...
can@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Neat. Has anyone brought this up to the devs here or on github before?
skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl 6 months ago
I’m not sure, but anything doing Markdown parsing and allowing images to be embedded is vulnerable to this. I kind of doubt that the devs don’t know about this.
The alternative would be to download every image on the server and cache it until users start requesting the image files, rewriting the Markdown to link to the new image location. I can think of a few reasons why that’s not implemented.
Proxying all comments was implemented in the backend at some point, I’m not sure why this feature was removed again. I can’t find much in the repo history, you could ask the devs why the feature got removed if you’re curious.
nutsack@lemmy.world 6 months ago
you could safeguard against this on the client side by not loading images
recklessengagement@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Ayo what the fuck how’d you do that
skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl 6 months ago
Your client asks my server for the image, my server does a basic IP location lookup based on a free internet database I downloaded last year and turns it into an image on the fly.
DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
Got the state correct 👍
nutsack@lemmy.world 6 months ago
i really wish there were a way to disable images with some of these fancy lemmy clients for android
skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl 6 months ago
If you use Sync, there’s this setting you can toggle to disable embedded images. I’m not sure if this protects against network requests, but I think it should? If you disable the, images are represented as links instead.
nutsack@lemmy.world 6 months ago
nice. yea it replaces your image with a link.