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• bouh@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  And what definition of tankie is used here? I’ve been called a tankie several times on this thread and on lemmy while I discovered this word here on lemmy.

  Are you concerned you might be a fascist or are you trying to disregard and disqualify me based on whtt I consider a fascist?

  My point is that here there is a witch hunt against supposed tankies whyle fascists are welcome. Considering the political climate in western countries, do you think fascism or tankism will be more prevalent? Why is the fight against tankies so much more prevalent on lemmy.world then?

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  • Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I generally regard people who perform apologetics for fascist states and insist that anyone who doesn’t agree with them isn’t left-wing as “tankies” while simultaneously decrying sectarianism.

    I called you a tankie because tankies tend to refer to people as “fascist” wantonly and haphazardly. You even admitted that you consider people who disagree with what you refer to as leftists to be fascist, which lends credence to my assessment. I actually can’t say that you really are what I would consider a tankie, and I’m certainly willing to admit that I was wrong.

    My definition of fascism is as such: Fascism is a political strategy that seeks to preserve, create, and entrench structures and relationships of power imbalance by means of promoting and facilitating mass, broad-spectrum chauvinism in ways that are likely to encourage widespread individual and systemic violence. “Chauvinism” here-in refers to an irrational belief that one’s own identity makes them superior. Note that this definition essentially covers the 14 characteristics of fascism as detailed by Umberto Eco, and generalizes them. It is not a type of governance nor is it a coherent political philosophy.

    I’m not afraid that I may be a fascist because I constantly analyze my own thoughts and I’m very critical of myself. I also don’t really care if you think I’m a fascist or not, because I already believe that your opinion on the matter isn’t valuable given what you’ve already said.

    Now if you answer the question I already asked instead of playing this game, I’ll be happy to address the rest of your comment. So, again: What definition of fascism are you using?

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    • bouh@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I asked you about tankies, not fascists.

      Going on a witch hunt against tankies and calling tankies everyone who disagree with you is not really showing you under a good light. As you said, referring to people as tankies want only and haphazardly will make you called a fascists, because only the fascists are hunting down tankies with definitions known to them only.

      Again, throughout history the leftists are the first to fight and to be hunted down by the fascists. And as a matter of fact, the fight and the hunt has started in the western world.

      Sure, Russia and China are fascists countries and bad in many ways. But USA and Europe are turning fascist too. That is what concerns me. And turning fascist in order to fight Russia or China is just stupid.

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      • Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You asked me why the fight against tankies was so much more prevalent, and my answer was:

        The reason that people fight against tankies more than what you call fascists is because tankies are far more prevelant than what I and most other people on the platform consider fascism. That is to say, your definition of fascism entirely fails to encapsulate what most people mean when they use the word, and so you shouldn’t be surprised that they don’t complain about fascism as much as you do. It’s like if you went camping and then started screaming about how everyone’s suddenly saying that arson isn’t a big deal.

        And that’s my answer. My answer is that you’re wrong to call liberals fascists, and if you can’t get along with someone you disagree with to fight against someone who’s trying to kill you your ideology is going to fail. Tankies have historically betrayed Anarchists and allied with fascists to secure power, and liberals have historically been far more tolerant of differing views. I’d much rather be friends with an honest liberal than a tankie, because the liberal is far less likely to stab me in the back and put my friends in a goddamn camp.

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