“Everyone I disagree with is a shill and all ideas I disagree with are propaganda”
I agree with your general point but
splits the community and disconnects people
They aren’t people like you and I. They’re paid shills at best and KremlinGPT at worst. I think to survive and flourish as a platform Lemmy will have to aggressively fight back against authoritarian disinformation. As it stands, I won’t even admit to anyone that I use it because it so full of propaganda.
hark@lemmy.world 7 months ago
fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Mocking me instead of responding to what I said is a good indicator you have no reasonable response.
hark@lemmy.world 7 months ago
It’s a good indicator that was you said was mock-worthy. Mockery is a reasonable response for someone who thinks everyone you disagree with is a shill and that all ideas that you disagree with are propaganda.
h3ndrik@feddit.de 7 months ago
Well, they’re a bit over the top and oversimplifying things in my opinion. But you’re also not contributing anything of value. You could instead add your perspective if it’s different. I mean I’d probably read it and it’d get us… anywhere?..
federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 7 months ago
all ideas that you disagree with are propaganda.
all media is propaganda.
TragicNotCute@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I think saying that any group of humans “aren’t people” isn’t being respectful of others. Please stop.
fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Intentionally misunderstanding what I said at best, defending propaganda from genocidal authoritarians at worst.
TragicNotCute@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I don’t care about the content of what you are talking about. The community rules say to be respectful of others. And you aren’t. I asked you to stop but you want to argue.
fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 7 months ago
I don’t think shills are people on here in the same way genuine users are, I stand by that. They’re representing authoritarian governments, not themselves.
If you want people to be respectful of others, how about addressing shills who are defending the Kremlin’s genocide in Ukraine? It would be respectful to Ukrainians to acknowledge all of their suffering and close the door on propaganda from their oppressors.
good_girl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 months ago
They aren’t people like you and I. They’re paid shills
Oh shit i get paid?
h3ndrik@feddit.de 7 months ago
It is a bit more nuanced than that. There are normal people there, too. It’s been one of the largest instances when the Reddit exodus happened. Some of the users chose the largest and the ‘official’ instance. And some of them are still there, too.
But lemmy.ml is operated by the same people who also run lemmygrad, some moderators seem to be the same. And unfortunately the whole Lemmy software platform is developed by people of that kind.
I don’t mind leaning a good amount to the left. I think a few socialist values would advance society and economy. Especially in places like the USA. And I’ve been called a communist for that. But being a tankie is beyond my comprehension. Why would anyone like Putin, defend the CCP and what they do to people. And I’m not overly bothered with the left vs right. It’s the constant yelling, being super argumentative, doing brigading and spreading misinformation.
I think things are changing. I’m paying attention now to the usernames in the comments. And lemmy.ml isn’t the dominating place anymore. Most of the usernames I see come from a broad bandwidth of instances. And that’s a good thing. It’s still a home to some big communities which needs to change, too. And I’m also waiting for a new software to come along, written by different people with a different motivation and agenda. In my opinion that’s one of the next steps to emancipate ourselves. I mean if you don’t like lemmy.ml you probably don’t like the people making the decisions there. Which unfortunately are the same people who also write all of the Lemmy software. And their software development decisions reflect the same attitude. But also that’s going to change. A few people are working on good alternatives which strive to listen to the community, invite people to participate and also finally implement proper moderation tools and a few other tweaks to foster good behaviour.
I like Lemmy. But this platform had a hard time from the start. And it’s still struggling. Mixing technological difficulties and innate problems of growing a community with drama, bad decisions, waywardness and friction in the community on many different levels is just stupid and unnecessary. But I’m still waiting for progress and a bright future. I think Federation is one of the best approaches with some potential to make that happen.
fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Well said, I agree with all of that. I’m considerably more to the left as well, that’s part of why I hate lemmy.ml, because they’re preventing actual good growth and movement in that direction.
Hopefully Mbin or some other one of the new forks/platforms takes off soon. I’m ready to move if necessary, I love the idea of a healthy Fediverse and I hope some day I can recommend it to friends instead of being too embarrassed to admit I use it because of all the propaganda.
assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 7 months ago
That’s something I’ve recently realized. They think people dislike them because they’re leftist, but that has very little to do with it. Some of their harshest critics are from the left.
They have no idea it’s because of their authoritarian simping, and every time you call them out on it, they deflect. Frankly they more strongly support fascist regimes than their criticizers.
fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 7 months ago
I think the paid shills know what’s going on, they’re told to act like leftists and probably don’t actually hold those beliefs. They might be brainwashed to think the CCP/Kremlin is good.
So in my opinion they pretend people are “upset that they’re leftist” in order to avoid people focusing on their actual motives.
h3ndrik@feddit.de 7 months ago
Sure. I personally am waiting for PieFed to come along. They seem to know what’s important to address and also have some good ideas how to tackle it.
I’m 100% ready to support that and focus my engagement there. I’m pretty sure just changing the software codebase isn’t changing too much… But I’d like some more independence from the few people currently doing everything.
And that’s also what I’ve done. I haven’t recommended Lemmy to friends and family, yet. And I’ve refrained from running my own instance, too. Despite having the server ready for that.
fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Thanks I’ll keep an eye on it. Sad to be eager to abandon ship already, but it’s not surprising that the fediverse will have some growing pains. The core value and promise of healthy social media is still there and I love it.
wakumul@lemm.ee 7 months ago
you can leave literally any time. there are dozens of instances, you don’t need to stay on flagship instances. you might like truth.social, which runs mastodon’s software, or gab.com which does the same.
fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Thank you very much, you can leave too.