Comment on Lemmy.ml is acting as a proxy instance for Hexbear and should be defederated by any instances that defederate from Hexbear

• Mastengwe@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It’s what did. I’m not missing a thing.

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• h3ndrik@feddit.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Thx. I found the most important communities to me. I’m glad most of them have an alternative and those are going strong. I can live with losing a few minor ones.

  Concerning “blocking them”: I’m not sure. I was a strong opponent to the whole defederation and “safe-space” thing last year. Where especially beehaw.org decided to do their own thing and rigorously defederate, often preemptively and without talking to people. I think such behaviour splits the community and disconnects people. I really don’t like all the drama, falling out with each other and particularism. And I think all this feud is a sure way to kill the platform before it even took off with the general public… Honestly, I’m slowly changing my mind. Give me some more time.

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  • fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I agree with your general point but

    splits the community and disconnects people

    They aren’t people like you and I. They’re paid shills at best and KremlinGPT at worst. I think to survive and flourish as a platform Lemmy will have to aggressively fight back against authoritarian disinformation. As it stands, I won’t even admit to anyone that I use it because it so full of propaganda.

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    • h3ndrik@feddit.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It is a bit more nuanced than that. There are normal people there, too. It’s been one of the largest instances when the Reddit exodus happened. Some of the users chose the largest and the ‘official’ instance. And some of them are still there, too.

      But lemmy.ml is operated by the same people who also run lemmygrad, some moderators seem to be the same. And unfortunately the whole Lemmy software platform is developed by people of that kind.

      I don’t mind leaning a good amount to the left. I think a few socialist values would advance society and economy. Especially in places like the USA. And I’ve been called a communist for that. But being a tankie is beyond my comprehension. Why would anyone like Putin, defend the CCP and what they do to people. And I’m not overly bothered with the left vs right. It’s the constant yelling, being super argumentative, doing brigading and spreading misinformation.

      I think things are changing. I’m paying attention now to the usernames in the comments. And lemmy.ml isn’t the dominating place anymore. Most of the usernames I see come from a broad bandwidth of instances. And that’s a good thing. It’s still a home to some big communities which needs to change, too. And I’m also waiting for a new software to come along, written by different people with a different motivation and agenda. In my opinion that’s one of the next steps to emancipate ourselves. I mean if you don’t like lemmy.ml you probably don’t like the people making the decisions there. Which unfortunately are the same people who also write all of the Lemmy software. And their software development decisions reflect the same attitude. But also that’s going to change. A few people are working on good alternatives which strive to listen to the community, invite people to participate and also finally implement proper moderation tools and a few other tweaks to foster good behaviour.

      I like Lemmy. But this platform had a hard time from the start. And it’s still struggling. Mixing technological difficulties and innate problems of growing a community with drama, bad decisions, waywardness and friction in the community on many different levels is just stupid and unnecessary. But I’m still waiting for progress and a bright future. I think Federation is one of the best approaches with some potential to make that happen.

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      • fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Well said, I agree with all of that. I’m considerably more to the left as well, that’s part of why I hate lemmy.ml, because they’re preventing actual good growth and movement in that direction.

        Hopefully Mbin or some other one of the new forks/platforms takes off soon. I’m ready to move if necessary, I love the idea of a healthy Fediverse and I hope some day I can recommend it to friends instead of being too embarrassed to admit I use it because of all the propaganda.

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    • hark@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      “Everyone I disagree with is a shill and all ideas I disagree with are propaganda”

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      • fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Mocking me instead of responding to what I said is a good indicator you have no reasonable response.

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    • TragicNotCute@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I think saying that any group of humans “aren’t people” isn’t being respectful of others. Please stop.

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      • fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Intentionally misunderstanding what I said at best, defending propaganda from genocidal authoritarians at worst.

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    • good_girl@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      They aren’t people like you and I. They’re paid shills

      Oh shit i get paid?

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