What? There’s censoring all over this place!
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beefontoast@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Is Lemmy going to be one of the only places we can go to get uncensored content? Even the mainstream UK and US news outlets are filtering things.
Splatterphace@lemm.ee 3 months ago
rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 3 months ago
With the developers themselves being the biggest offenders.
SorteKanin@feddit.dk 3 months ago
What is “this place”? Your own instance? You should move instances if you don’t like the censoring.
Socsa@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Lemmy is massively censored. I just got another ban recently for taking about .ml bans in a .world thread.
SorteKanin@feddit.dk 3 months ago
It’s wrong to say that Lemmy is censored. Certain instances censor more than others. Go to instances you like that don’t censor the stuff you don’t want censored.
Socsa@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
The issue is that right now about a third to a half of the content is on instances which will ban you for random shit without notification. The only way to tell is to search that instance’s modlog, so you can effectively get shadow banned from half of Lemmy even while participating in the “free” half.
I agree that what you say is the longer term ideal, but it’s not how things currently are. I also don’t trust the .ml devs to not keep their thumb on the scale in various shady ways. They have shown themselves to be pretty shameless so far and there are plenty of ways they could quietly shape federated content by running a malicious fork. It already seems like they don’t federate much of their modlog, for example.
btaf45@lemmy.world 3 months ago
How does that work? Which server banned you?
moon@lemmy.cafe 3 months ago
Wow the server software banned you? That’s pretty impressive considering you’re currently using it and that feature doesn’t exist.
Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 months ago
That’s part of what the federal is about.
SorteKanin@feddit.dk 3 months ago
Lemmy isn’t a place. Lemmy is just the software you use to access the Fediverse. Lemmy is not censored or uncensored - only specific instances can be censored or uncensored.
ashley@discuss.tchncs.de 3 months ago
you sound surprised that western governments censor things in their news.
QuadratureSurfer@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Looks like the Nordic countries have some of the best protections for their press.
The U.S. is ranked around 45th which is disappointing considering the first amendment is supposed to guarantee freedom of the press.
But in general western countries are far better than places like Russia, China, India, the Middle East, etc.
Gabu@lemmy.world 3 months ago
You’re completely ignoring self-censorship practiced by the press in favour of financial gains. “Oops, looks like Nestlé just paid us a lot of cash for an ad. I guess that story about their security force beating up a bunch of slaves won’t be getting a page after all”.
pop@lemmy.ml 3 months ago
“Nestlé also p̶a̶i̶d̶ gifted/lobbied someone in congress, we can’t be making the politician/billionaire look bad. We might lose our money tree”
People are fed so much clickbait/propaganda by their news, they end up believing ratings made by themselves.
pop@lemmy.ml 3 months ago
The U.S. is ranked around 45th which is disappointing considering the first amendment is supposed to guarantee freedom of the press.
Not really disappointing looking from the outside. Clickbait constitutions are good for propaganda for the populace. They tell you you’re living in the best country in the world while the politicians propose death sentence for women who have abortions. Cause war crimes the world over while populace thanks them for their service.
“Disappointing” is putting it lightly to the amount of disgrace it has caused.
beefontoast@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Why does this get down voted?
systemglitch@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I see censorship on Lemmy approaching Reddit levels more often than I’m comfortable with. The same mods moved here unfortunately.
SorteKanin@feddit.dk 3 months ago
Then go to other instances. Lemmy isn’t censored, the instances you visit are. You are free to start your own instance without any censoring if you want.
moon@lemmy.cafe 3 months ago
Lemmy is not a single platform. That doesn’t make any sense.
L0rdMathias@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Lmao nah. Lemmy is just decentralized censorship. Anyone can ban or block anything else; anyone can start their own community instance and kill it on a whim. Multiple communities have already defederated in the less than a year that I’ve been on here.
Lemmy solves the issue of centralized censorship/echo chamber communities, by replacing them with individual personalized echo chambers that you get to censor yourself. It’s a lot of work to set it up and sustain that type of situation, so it’s not realistic for a rational person that does not have a severe internet addiction to waste their time and effort doing it.
turkalino@lemmy.yachts 3 months ago
Which really wouldn’t be that bad if instances were more clear about how they operate. Like, on the user signup page, there should be a big ol checkbox saying “I UNDERSTAND THAT ANYTHING THATS NOT A POSITIVE POST ABOUT COMMUNISM WILL GET ME BANNED” or whatever
JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 3 months ago
It’s been fun abusing a Lemmy bug that lets you see what a removed comment originally said on a certain .ml instance. Unsurprisingly, they almost always were something negative about China or Russia.
pop@lemmy.ml 3 months ago
It more like the opposite. Federated instances can keep all the federated posts without ever deleting them. Then also sell and monetize it.
Shutting down an instance doesn’t mean it’s censorship. If a library shuts down if it can’t stay up, is that censorship?
Lol, freeloader says what?
Mongostein@lemmy.ca 3 months ago
You always have the option of changing instances if you don’t like what the admins are doing, or creating accounts on those defederated instances to see what they’re up to.