Well the thing is we need to get away from individual transportation if we transform all ice cars to ev we won’t really solve the problems we are facing…
Comment on Activists set to protest Tesla Germany factory’s expansion days after sabotage attack
xodoh74984@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Elon is a megalomaniacal cunt, but I was wondering why environmentalists of all people would push to limit electric vehicle production. It seems a little brain dead while we’re actively watching the climate warm at a much higher rate than was predicted when I was young.
Anyway, this is about protecting their water.
Environmentalists also worry about the pressure the factory puts on the local water supply and the risk of contamination.
whome@discuss.tchncs.de 3 months ago
spacesatan@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Until we can stop making new cars we need to be able to make more electric cars.
FaceDeer@kbin.social 3 months ago
If we don't have individual transportation how are we ever going to catch up to those goalposts?
rockSlayer@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I have a few personal reasons why we should be opposed to Tesla, and I’m almost certain that most of my reasons don’t overlap with justifications used by the radical activists.
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Tesla is gatekeeping their battery tech, which is objectively better than existing lithium battery cells. This means that everyone else is consuming more electricity than necessary simply so Tesla can make more profit.
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Lithium is a heavy metal, so when it leeches into the water during mining and manufacturing it will cause higher cancer rates and harm the surrounding environment.
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Lithium is a rare earth metal, so our existing economic systems lead to extreme forms of exploitation and oppression in areas with a high amount of the mineral.
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Individual transportation does reduce emissions when it’s entirely electric, but it’s not the whole picture. Car-centric infrastructure is extremely inefficient for transporting people. The amounts of concrete, metal rebar, and plastic that goes into traveling by car will still be necessary if we just switch to EVs.
NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Lithium is a heavy metal
Wrong. Lithium is one of the very lightest metals.
Lithium is a rare earth metal
Wrong. Lithium isn’t rare at all.
rockSlayer@lemmy.world 3 months ago
You’re right. I was thinking of cobalt, a different essential element in battery production. However that doesn’t negate the facts on those points.
barsoap@lemm.ee 3 months ago
“Rare earth metal”, not “rare metal”. Rare earth metals don’t occur naturally in concentrations comparable to other metals: Noone ever found a lithium nugget, oxidised or not, you have to sift through cube metres of soil to get at a little bit of the material no matter where you get your soil from.
And lithium being light doesn’t mean that you want to have it in your ground water. Do you want to medicate, or overdose, the whole population on the stuff.
FaceDeer@kbin.social 3 months ago
Rare-earth element is a specific technical term. Lithium is absolutely not among them.
One of the main sources lithium is extracted from is brines. That is, it's already in the water and we take it out.
Traister101@lemmy.today 3 months ago
- What? Tesla doesn’t have their own batteries they buy them from Panasonic.
- Yes, cars are bad and EVs only improve emissions while worsening infrastructure wear.
rockSlayer@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Panasonic is being encouraged by Tesla to work with them to develop a proprietary lithium battery cell that has significant advantages over the 1865 cell.
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FaceDeer@kbin.social 3 months ago
I find that often "movements" end up focused more on just continuing their movement rather than the underlying purpose of why they started moving in the first place.
GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 3 months ago
In this case it is very valid though. The water supply is in danger, and the locals have held a referendum against the expansion. All they are asking is that this referendum be honored.
xodoh74984@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Great to have this context
NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Easy: Tesla is not doing this all for the sake of the environment. And what they are doing in Brandenburg amounts to shitting into all the wells and sources of the whole region around that factory. It is not only environmentalists who are pissed.