Comment on Killer drones pioneered in Ukraine are the weapons of the future

General_Effort@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• Sciaphobia@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  What’s that from? The Simpsons?

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  • General_Effort@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The Secret War of Lisa Simpson, Season 8, Episode 25. First aired in 1997.

    Clip. Voiced by Willem Dafoe.

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  • NobodyElse@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yes. I’m a man of few words.

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    • bionicjoey@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I think they are perfectly cromulent words.

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• Peanutbjelly@sopuli.xyz ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Perhaps instead we could just restructure our epistemically confabulated reality in a way that doesn’t inevitably lead to unnecessary conflict due to diverging models that haven’t grown the necessary priors to peacefully allow comprehension and the ability exist simultaneously.

  breath

  We are finally coming to comprehend how our brains work, and how intelligent systems generally work at any scale, in any ecosystem. Subconsciously enacted social systems included.

  We’re seeing developments that make me extremely optimistic, even if everything else is currently on fire. We just need a few more years without self focused turds blowing up the world.

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  • rottingleaf@lemmy.zip ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    We are finally coming to comprehend how our brains work, and how intelligent systems generally work at any scale, in any ecosystem.

    Who told you that?

    (If you don’t mean ML-based things fallaciously called “AI”, then ignore this)

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    • Peanutbjelly@sopuli.xyz ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m talking about the general strides in cognitive computing and predictive processing.

      youtu.be/A1Ghrd7NBtk?si=iaPVuRjtnVEA2mqw

      Machine learning is still impressive, we just can better frame the limitations now.

      For the note on scale and ecosystems, review recent work by karl friston or Michael Levin.

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      • rottingleaf@lemmy.zip ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Thanks, watching now

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• skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  robots, satellites, or for that matter fighter jets or artillery can’t hold ground, all these units work in support of infantry. the future belongs to what we already have: combined arms warfare

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  • tal@lemmy.today ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    robots…can’t hold ground

    Maybe not yet. Maybe not even soon. But it will happen.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e1_QhJ1EhQ

    At some point, you’re going to have legged robots out there, and that’ll start cutting into human advantages in mobility over rugged terrain.

    BigDog got rejected by the Marines because it was too loud. But that’s not really a fundamental limitation of robotics.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BigDog

    At the end of December 2015, the BigDog project was discontinued. Despite hopes that it would one day work like a pack mule for US soldiers in the field, the gas-powered engine was deemed too noisy for use in combat. A similar project for an all-electric robot named Spot was much quieter, but could only carry 40 pounds (18 kg). Both projects are no longer in progress, but the Spot Mini was released in 2019.[2][11]

    That’s just a load-bearer. But once you have a platform that’s mobile and can go most places a human can, it’s gonna get armed pretty quickly.

    And it won’t happen all at once – you’ll have some humans, some robots. Maybe they just have load-bearers, like what DARPA was interested in BigDog doing. Maybe a robot gets put on point when a squad is patrolling.

    But the cost of a human life is pretty high, so there’s a pretty potent incentive to consume a robot than a human life if possible.

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    • KeenFlame@feddit.nu ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s completely idiotic and against all existing reason to allow a machine to end lives on automatic. I don’t think it’s going to be allowed and heavily frowned upon kind of like mustard gas

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  • bionicjoey@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    robots can’t hold ground

    Tell that to an auto turret that shoots anyone that approaches it.

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    • rutellthesinful@kbin.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Tell that to the cardboard box crawling its way towards the auto turret because the auto turret doesn't scan it human

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      • bionicjoey@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Tell that to the robotic dogs who have a heightened sense of robo-smell and can detect the guy hiding inside the cardboard box

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    • skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      is that autoturret in the room with us?

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      • bionicjoey@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        If it was, we’d be dead

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• AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  States don’t concede wars because of equipment losses—they concede when the cost in lives becomes an existential threat to the ruling regimes. Drones fighting drones means nothing to governments unless there are human lives at stake when the drones break through.

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  • KeenFlame@feddit.nu ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    What are they supposed to break through

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• index@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  most of the actual fighting will be done by small robots.

  Drones aren’t being used to kill other drones, they are being used to drop bombs on people

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