Comment on those damn vegans!

• Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I can’t digest soy, soy is actually one of the most common allergies. I am actually finding that as I get older all legumes are getting a little hard for me to digest (not sure what that is about). I am someone who would have not lived though childhood with out the ability to have both the protein and calories I got from eating meat. (I couldn’t do dairy as a child either)

  I get what is being said about gain finishing. A practice that is really more of a result of corporate agriculture than anything else. I just find these black and white statements about how non ag people think ag should work. Fail to take into account pastoralism or dry land grazing, while also glossing over petrochemical fertilizer uses. All the best studies I have read on the climate affects of any type of agriculture come to the conclusion that it is near impossible to tell, due to the vast number of variables. The ones that come to some strong conclusion tend to throw out a lot of data because it is too hard to use.

  I have nothing against reducing meat intake nor will I ever say that vegetation diets are “bad” I just find that people are often unwilling to understand the systems they want to change.

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  • Dasus@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I am someone who would have not lived though childhood with out the ability to have both the protein and calories I got from eating meat. (I couldn’t do dairy as a child either)

    A soy allergy isn’t a death sentence. Eggs exist, and so do tons and tons of other sources of protein.

    Cannabis seeds, for one, are great source of protein and contain all the essential aminoacids.

    I was unaware of the term “grain finished”, so I looked it up.

    When beef is grain-finished, cattle are free to eat a balanced diet of grain, local feed ingredients, like potato hulls or sugar beets, and hay or forage at the feedyard.

    You’re not seriously suggesting that most cattle enjoy such conditions?

    If you just plain do the math of the area needed for grazing versus the average consumption of beef per capita you can see that most cattle is definitely not just “grain finished”.

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    • Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      So for me soy was a death sentence. As a child I would get an anaphylactic reaction to soy. So yeah I had to be very careful.

      I did eat eggs, lots of eggs. The thing is a large egg has about 70 calories. In my teens and 20s I had a maintenance diet of over 3000 calories a day. I could easily eat a meal of over 1000 calories and be hungry in a few hours. That is 30+ eggs a day.

      I assume you mean hemp seeds? Right? It’s great that food sources like that exist. Having said that, I don’t really think they were available during the Reagan administration…

      No I don’t think Grain finishing is a good thing. As I said it is a thing that exists because of commercial ag. I personally think. That JBS, national, Tyson, and Cargile are destroying the meat industry for their own gain. No one except their shareholders benefit. That is why I always advocate for people to buy their meat from the rancher. It is much better for the animals, Grass finished tastes better, and it supports independent producers.

      If you just plain do the math of the area needed for grazing versus the average consumption of beef per capita you can see that most cattle is definitely not just “grain finished”.

      Feel free to show me the math. Look I am not trying to be mean but that statement is just not true. That is not how cow digestion works. Both steers and nursing/pregnant heifers need to be on a grass diet. If you really want I can give you a much better break down of how exactly it works. It may be through silage or haylage, but they are not a grain diet. Grain is what makes beef marbled, that is why cows are just finished on it. Too much fat in the beef reduces its value.

      Look I agree that industrial ag practices are not the right way. And as I said last time it is very important to understand a system to be able to create real change.

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      • Dasus@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yeah, eating soy with a severe soy allergy can lead to anaphylactix shock, but having a soy allergy doesn’t mean you won’t be able to get protein elsewhere, meaning you just have to not eat soy.

        You can easily die of lactose intolerance as well. Diarrhea is historically in like the top 3 causes of death.

        I assume you mean hemp seeds? Right?

        The plant is called cannabis.

        “Hemp” is for people who don’t understand that “hemp” is a political term and that “hemp seeds” are in fact cannabis seeds and that even the most psychoactive cannabis has no psychoactive alkaloids in the seeds.

        No I don’t think Grain finishing is a good thing

        Not what I asked. I asked if you seriously think most cattle is “grain finished” when literally a vast majority of the world’s cattle is fed solely on feed and never even see grass.

        “Feel free to show me, I’m unable to back up anything I said and I think it’s up to you to disprove me instead of me being able to support the things I’m saying.”

        And you talk about being annoyed by people who don’t know what they’re talking about?

        Which country’s data should we use?

        …wikipedia.org/…/List_of_countries_by_meat_consum…

        ourworldindata.org/grapher/land-use-per-kg-poore

        statista.com/…/grazing-land-worldwide-by-region/

        There’s the data

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