Comment on Lemmy's Image Problem

• EmilyIsTrans@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Likewise, an open source project can totally die if they refuse to engage with the needs of the users. The lack of moderation and content management tools have been a longstanding criticism of Lemmy, and instances will migrate to alternatives that address these concerns. It is a genuine legal liability for instance operators if they are unable to sufficiently delete/manage CSAM content or comply with EU regulations.

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  • Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Both our points are true. That’s the best part of fediverse. If one doesn’t like lemmy, they are free to choose an alternative. I just don’t agree with demanding features from open source developers. There is a distinct line between demanding and requesting. I’m not saying lemmy is perfect. Maybe Sublinks would be better. Let’s wait.

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    • FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I think there is also a distinct line between demanding, for example, a new animated avatar feature and demanding a way to delete child porn.

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      • Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Reasonable.

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• deadsuperhero@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  While I think you’re correct about it ultimately being their project, and that users are in no place to demand or expect anything, this thing takes on whole other dimensions once a project is all about building a platform.

  It’s one thing to look at some random demand to write everything in a P2P architecture because DNS is too centralized. When I worked on Diaspora, I literally saw people demand stuff like that, and laughed it off. I’m trying to build a platform that exists today, not some pixie dream bullshit compromised of academic circle-jerking.

  But when it comes to basic table stakes for participating in a network that already exists, things change a bit. This is especially true when you’re connecting to a global network that has:

  • Hate Speech
  • Targeted Harassment Campaigns
  • Child Pornography
  • Extreme Gore and Violence

  Suddenly, it makes a lot of sense to say “you know what, admins are going to want to filter this shit out, maybe it’s reasonable for them to have some tools and fixtures that are part of core.”

  Unfortunately, these devs are the kind of people who scream angrily when someone says “Hey, this thing doesn’t actually respect image deletes / GDPR stuff / content deletion on account deletion”. To me, that’s fucking insane.

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• masterspace@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You don’t know how social networks work. They only survive based on network effects, not having the most basic functionality that users expect means that they will fail to reach critical mass and be outcompeted.

  If they don’t want to provide the most basic functions that any user of a social network would expect, they’re welcome to go back to being one of the millions of forgotten and unviewed personal github projects.

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  • DrCake@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The entire point of the “fediverse” is to combat the network effect. Don’t like Lenny? Move to another app and still communicate with people on Lemmy. Plus it’s all open, can’t find an app you like? Build one or wait for someone to build one you like.

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    • masterspace@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The entire point of the “fediverse” is to combat the network effect.

      No, it’s not.

      The purpose of the fediverse is to decentralize control of the network, it does not eliminate network effects in any way shape or form. At the end of the day a social network is only as valuable as the users using it and contributing content to it. If they don’t find lemmy pleasant to use, they’re not going to say “let me jump to mastodon” they’re going to go to Reddit.

      Build one or wait for someone to build one you like.

      You really don’t understand network effects if you think you can just sit around and wait for basic functionality and expect your network not to die.

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• Badeendje@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  We can expect them to follow the law. And yes this means implementing required features to comply with the law.

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  • SupraMario@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Nothing here is breaking any laws. I don’t know why OP thinks the GDPR applies here, it doesn’t.

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    • maynarkh@feddit.nl ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It does apply, but not to the Lemmy devs, but to the instance admins.

      As it stands, you can’t legally host a Lemmy server in either the EU or the US (or places they can reach) and federate with the 'verse at large without fear that the authorities will come after you.

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      • SupraMario@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        This is not true at all, you can host a instance in the USA for free and not be subjective to the GDPR. You’re not selling anything, or marketing anything or doing any data collection to be sold. It %100 does not apply.

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