Firefox is open source, bullshit can be excised if necessary
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snownyte@kbin.social 8 months ago
We're in a lose/lose scenario here. Google has been inserting ad-tracking and soon will be nuking ad-blockers.
Then you've got Firefox wanting to implement AI soon at the cost of employees.
Is there really anywhere else we can go before both of their shit hits the fan?
Damage@feddit.it 8 months ago
calzone_gigante@lemmy.eco.br 8 months ago
Maintaining a browser is crazy hard. If Firefox goes to shit, it would require some serious foundation to maintain a good fork.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Yes, and expensive. This is often overlooked when people just say don’t worry it’s FOSS. The enshitification happens slowly, and by the time there is outrage about how bad it becomes the last non intrusive fork might be several years old and take even more work to modernize. I’m not giving up all hope, but you are correct, it would be a very ambitious community undertaking to keep such a thing competitive with the plethora of evil browsers out there.
Damage@feddit.it 8 months ago
I chose my wording accurately, I never mentioned maintaining the whole browser
Chakravanti@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Librewolf
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 8 months ago
We need a federated browser.
cosmic_slate@dmv.social 8 months ago
[deleted]deleted@lemmy.world 8 months ago
WE NEED A FEDERATED BROWSER.
SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Like Tor?
Chakravanti@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
TOR is a forked Firefox.
GustavoFring@lemmy.world 8 months ago
You mean Tor Browser specifically.
ZephyrXero@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Firefox needs to ship with IPFS & IPNS built in, then we’d have a Distributed web. Which is I think what you’re asking for maybe?
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Sure, lets do that.
smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
HTTP?
comador@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Opera, Vivaldi and Brave are descent alternatives.
Chakravanti@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
No. No they aren’t.
s0ckpuppet@kbin.social 8 months ago
Brave is shady af and iirc Opera got bought by some Chinese spyware company.
comador@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I only listed Opera b/c Vivaldi is based on it:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivaldi_(web_browser)
Vivaldi is absolutely a descent FOSS product, but will agree with the Opera sentiment and have edited my post more accordingly.
LunchEnjoyer@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I’d argue Firefox is the descent alternative.
- Opera is Crappy Chinese ad-filled browser
- Vivaldi, although it’s extremely nice tab management system and unique features, isn’t open source. But probably the better chromium browser of the owns you mentioned.
- Brave… Is a crypto shilling browser run by a turd wanting to ban same sex marriage
There are a plethora of sources out there of good reasons not to use these browsers. But seriously, Firefox is an excellent browser, treat yourself to better privacy 🦊
comador@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I only listed Opera because Vivaldi’s based on it, but that’s about where it ends. Vivaldi and FF are the only two I use tbh.
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Each of which depend on chrome and google’s decisions.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Idk why you’re being downvoted. All of these browsers are chromium browsers.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I don’t think we should equate Firefox’s AI plans with other ones.
Firefox’s AI will be trained entirely locally with data that you choose to give it, and won’t send any information back to Firefox.
By the sounds of it it won’t be a chatbot either, but rather an aid for finding more sources, pointing out fake reviews, assisting in translation, etc.
My two main issues with “AI” are unethically sourced training data, and hoovering up personal information when you use it. Neither are a problem for Mozilla’s “AI” plans.