Comment on San Francisco Appoints First Noncitizen to Serve on Elections Commission | KQED

• Bongo_Stryker@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Well either you’re not familiar with the regressive underpinnings of modern social conservatism or you want to deny it for some reason, but either way it doesn’t manke me wrong.

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  • wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Let’s see your citation for that, otherwise it’s made up garbage.

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    • Bongo_Stryker@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      So for those of you reading along at home this is where wintermute tries to hijack the conversation off the rails into some far off-topic tangent by demanding I teach him about the origins of modern conservatism by going all the way back to Edmund Burke, but no matter what I put forth he’s going to probably not read it and say it’s not valid or “just as I thought, made up garbage” and act like he has somehow invalidated my whole explanation of why people don’t want noncitizens on an elections commission.

      So then yeah sure maybe I’m wrong about the whole thing. But why then, why is it a problem that a noncitizen is on an election commission? Why would someone be upset with that, or noncitizens voting in local elections? Either because they are against democracy and don’t believe in voting or for some other mysterious reason. No reason is given. Maybe I’m right and it’s because social stratification is seen as the natural order of things based on individual choices, and to give political power to outsiders is seen as unnatural and disruptive social engineering leading to anarchy and chaos. That’s pretty much what Joseph de Maistre said but hey I’m not here to teach history or connect dots for people who just want to argue.

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      • Lookin4GoodArgs@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        So, I know where you’re coming from because I’ve read stuff by Edmund Burke and other conservatives. But, unless the conservative you’re talking with is the intellectual type, they probably haven’t. They’ve probably just internalized some version of social conservatism but would also be appalled that you’d accuse them of supporting social stratification even as they support it.

        I learned some time ago that this particular argumentative strategy is incredibly pointless. They don’t care that you know the historical and philosophical foundation of their beliefs. For them, that foundation isn’t there for them. They probably don’t know it! Their life experiences inform them more than anything else.

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      • wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I did say teach me anything. I asked you for a citation which should be easy to do if it’s as common as you claim.

        Thanks for admitting you’re full of shit.

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      • Theprogressivist@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        So you made it up. Got it.

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