You know militaries don’t need publicly available flight tracking to shoot down planes, right? Like, they have machines that tell them exactly where everything in the air near them is all the time.
Plus, airlines literally post departure and arrival times on the internet as part of their business model. Even if you didn’t know exactly where the plane was and when, you could make a pretty educated guess based on that information.
That wasn’t a military. It was a separatist group. My concern is that broadcasting your location significantly reduces the difficulty in shooting you down, to the point some armed group can do it.
Even the older Mode C/S transponders broadcast altitude, and passive radar could probably get you position. As I understand it, ADS-B doesn’t add a ton that wasn’t already available, but it does eliminate the need for radar, and includes ICAO hex codes that make it easier to uniquely identify an aircraft.
To shoot down a plane flying at 33,000 feet you’d need a surface-to-air missile system and a few missiles. Looks like the system used to shoot down MH17 cost ballpark of $100m, possibly more. Missiles are around $200k each.
You get target tracking and missile control radar included for free in your mobile SAM. At that point ADS-B is probably redundant, though I guess it could help you track the plane before it enters your airspace.
Though, really, where an airplane is going is usually not a secret. In most cases a flight plan will be filled (unless VFR). And there are other sources for near-realtime and realtime flight path information, including directly from the FAA.
You could also hire spotters with binoculars just to confirm that the plane is headed towards your mobile SAM.
Or, once the flight plan is filled and the departure time is confirmed, just stand outside the airport with a shoulder mounted missile launcher.
starman2112@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
You know militaries don’t need publicly available flight tracking to shoot down planes, right? Like, they have machines that tell them exactly where everything in the air near them is all the time.
Plus, airlines literally post departure and arrival times on the internet as part of their business model. Even if you didn’t know exactly where the plane was and when, you could make a pretty educated guess based on that information.
emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
That wasn’t a military. It was a separatist group. My concern is that broadcasting your location significantly reduces the difficulty in shooting you down, to the point some armed group can do it.
Dempf@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
Even the older Mode C/S transponders broadcast altitude, and passive radar could probably get you position. As I understand it, ADS-B doesn’t add a ton that wasn’t already available, but it does eliminate the need for radar, and includes ICAO hex codes that make it easier to uniquely identify an aircraft.
To shoot down a plane flying at 33,000 feet you’d need a surface-to-air missile system and a few missiles. Looks like the system used to shoot down MH17 cost ballpark of $100m, possibly more. Missiles are around $200k each.
You get target tracking and missile control radar included for free in your mobile SAM. At that point ADS-B is probably redundant, though I guess it could help you track the plane before it enters your airspace.
Though, really, where an airplane is going is usually not a secret. In most cases a flight plan will be filled (unless VFR). And there are other sources for near-realtime and realtime flight path information, including directly from the FAA.
You could also hire spotters with binoculars just to confirm that the plane is headed towards your mobile SAM.
Or, once the flight plan is filled and the departure time is confirmed, just stand outside the airport with a shoulder mounted missile launcher.
emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Ah, I see. That makes sense.