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udon@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

That’s a good theory sir/lady, and actually was the case until around 10 years ago.

Then Snowden happened, and we found out that the nsa is sucking all unencrypted traffic out of the net and into their databases.

Then letsencrypt happened and now you can get your certificates for free. Don’t pay 1000$. Letsencrypt is free and you can automatically update certificates. If your hoster doesn’t offer https for free, choose a different hoster.

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ares35@kbin.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
there's still the very real possibility they're hoovering all the encrypted data, too. and storing the stuff to/from 'interesting' end points for later 'analysis'--that is, if they don't already have the current tech broken.

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- udon@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Sure, but one thing we learned is that encryption sure makes things more annoying for them
  
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Dr_Satan@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Yes it’s free today. Maybe not tomorrow. And the fact remains that you need permission from a third party (basically a gov official) to have a website now. Doesn’t that trouble you?

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- KingWizard@kbin.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  No, and its clear you don’t understand the fundamentals here and you are throwing around baseless stats.
  
  It’s not even about the certificate itself but the trust of who generates the cert. Just about anyone can generate a https cert, therefore it will always be free.
  
  Who’s going to trust a company selling certs for $1000? Now that money is involved, trust is lost and the cert becomes worthless.
  
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  - Dr_Satan@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Consider. We’re all using HTTPS and depending on certs.
    
    Suddenly a wild threat appears.
    
    For our own safety, from now on, certs will only be issued by those who get special permission from the gov.
    
    Google will be cooperating in this.
    
    It’s technically trivial after all, because we’re all already using HTTPS anyway. It’s just a matter of changing the lock on the gate.
    
    Thank you for your cooperation in these troublesome times.
    
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    KingWizard@kbin.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Your entire premise requires the cooperation of the entire world to collude and agree on something.
    
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    towerful@programming.dev ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Nah, anyone can become a certificate authority.
    The difference is that the current trusted certificate authorities are autonatically trusted by browsers and operating systems.
    
    But you could run your own CA, issue certs for yourself and your friends, and get them to import your CA public key to their trusted CA store.
    Then it would work just like getting a cert from letsencrypt. The only difference is that letsencrypt is already included the CA store of OSs and browsers, so people dont have to do all the manual stuff
    
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    udon@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    @KingWizard is right, you don’t understand the fundamentals of this. You’re asking good questions, but people have been asking them decades ago and already found reasonably good answers. HTTPS works okay for what it does. Check out letsencrypt, watch some talks about it. Informing yourself about the matter will get you further than asking more random questions on lemmy.
    
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