Comment on Tear Down Walls, and Build Bridges

• Corvid@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  That’s exactly the point. Isolationists instances can always defederate bridges if they don’t like them. This outrage is them imposing their will on the rest of the fediverse.

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  • sabreW4K3@lemmy.tf ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Framing it as isolationists is ludicrous.

    I love the idea of an Internet without borders, but there needs to be some shared values. That’s what the ActivityPub protocol provides a platform for. To suggest that everything we do or post should be free is ridiculous. If the communities of BlueSky and Nostfr want to access our content, why don’t they switch to ActivityPub and problem solved?

    As a point, say that I write a poem and put it on my mastodon and then bridgey scrapes it and copies it. How do we get that taken down? A picture of my kid? A picture of someone else’s kid?

    There’s absolutely no issues with ActivityPub growing, it can encompass the whole internet for all I care, but that needs to come with the protections, provisions and failsafes that the ActivityPub protocol offers. Bridgey doesn’t do that, so again I say… If BlueSky and Nostfr want to pivot to ActivityPub, they’re more than welcome, but the Internet I’m trying to build isn’t about profiting off of small people without a voice and that’s what Bridgey and this isolationism rhetoric tries to do.

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    • Corvid@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Bridgy doesn’t scrape anything. It works the same as any other ActivityPub instance, the only difference is that it converts some JSON from one format to another.

      It also converts edit and deletion events, so in your scenario it would relay that you want your poem or photo deleted.

      This isn’t a web scrapper that reposts content like all the bots reposting Reddit threads to Lemmy. This is a protocol translator between federated networks that speak different languages.

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      • Hominine@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Crickets

        Small wonder. A tangent, but I’m also of the opinion that someone shouldn’t put their child’s photo (or any information) on the internet if they don’t want to distribute it in the first place.

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      • wise_pancake@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I found the bridgy website a bit confusing, but people who areupset should read through to get a better idea of what it actually does.

        Initially I thought it was just scraping and reposting too, but I find what the dev is working towards is very much in the spirit of the fediverse.

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      • sabreW4K3@lemmy.tf ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Does it purge on request?

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      • SineNomineAnonymous@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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    • TORFdot0@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      ActivityPub doesn’t guarantee your post gets taken down on other instances after you delete it. Federation with another site isn’t more a less trustworthy just because it uses AP proper or a bridge.

      I think that everyone being on the same protocol is better for compatibility and UX but I think bridges can have their place for those who choose to use them until then.

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      • sabreW4K3@lemmy.tf ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        There will always be bad actors, but when everything is working properly…

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    • Carighan@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      why don’t they switch to ActivityPub and problem solved immediately get defederated

      FTFY. That’s what would actually happen, and you and me both know it. 😛

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      • sabreW4K3@lemmy.tf ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        😂

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    • rglullis@communick.news ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That’s what the ActivityPub protocol provides a platform for.

      That’s ridiculous. ActivityPub is a standard to allow communication between different systems. What you are saying is that people should only be allowed to speak English if they want to be part of the British Empire and be subjects to the crown.

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      • sabreW4K3@lemmy.tf ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I’m saying that if you want Rust application, install Rust.

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  • RobotToaster@mander.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yeah, no amount of bending the knee will ever be enough for censorious extremists.

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