Torchlight 1-2 are decent fun for normal playthrough but plagued by bad design decisions and downright silly difficulty spikes on harder difficulties. Mods probably fix many of these issues but in vanilla the build diversity on harder difficulties is quite bad with only handful of viable builds with skill trees full of “trap skills”.
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Nefara@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Torchlight 2 spoiled me for basically the whole genre. It is a classic Roguelike but has so many thoughtful player centric quality of life features. Inventory is full but don’t want to stop kicking butt? You have a pet that can run back to town for you, sell your stuff, and even buy a “shopping list” of potions and scrolls for you. It’ll even run and pick up loot for you. I have trouble playing other games in the genre because I keep running into problems Torchlight 2 solved that I didn’t even think about. It also has mods available to add even more or keep things fresh. It’s getting old but because of that you can run it on anything. It’s a damn good game.
Vipsu@lemmy.world 7 months ago
fpslem@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I dunno about it being Rougelike, but I did love me some Torchlight 1 and 2. (Haven’t played 3.)
Tedrow@lemmy.world 7 months ago
What are your thoughts on Torchlight 3?
Nefara@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I haven’t played it. My impression is that it was trying very hard to cater to the mobile market. I heard it suffered from a lot of design changes and ended up being sold and then patched up and released by a new team to cut their losses. Meanwhile, Torchlight 2 may be older but it was made with love and care and a strong vision. It’s dirt cheap now too so it’s not hard to get your money’s worth out of it.
Tedrow@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I’ve played the first one and second, they’re both great. Sad to hear about the third game.
yokonzo@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I mean there’s always Torchlight infinite; which I hear was bought up by a Korean mobile game dev and monetized to hell
falsem@kbin.social 7 months ago
Listen I get that Roguelike is basically a vaguely defined genre now, and though Torchlight 2 in a great game it's definitely not a "classic Roguelike".
Nefara@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Ok, is a Diablo-like a thing I can call it then? It’s just such a specific type of game, the isometric top down view RPG with classes, customizable character leveling, randomly generated levels with area themes, randomized loot, a town hub and inventory etc. I’ve always heard those games called Rogue-likes but I never played Rogue.
BigPotato@lemmy.world 7 months ago
It’s an ARPG. Rogue-like has permadeath with random levels. Rogue-lite has permadeath with random levels but persistent unlocks and upgrades.
swordsmanluke@programming.dev 7 months ago
Funnily enough, Diablo was originally a rogue-ish game inspired by the likes of NetHack. The engine was even (technically) turn based - there’s a pretty cool anecdotes about how they made it real time over the course of a single weekend with some clever hacks.
I don’t know if it was ever supposed to have permadeath outside of the hardcore difficulty setting though.