Comment on Why were so many people believers in the conspiracy that 9/11 was an inside job
SuiXi3D@kbin.social 9 months ago
It certainly wasn’t a plane that hit the Pentagon.
I watched live TV coverage (online) of the pentagon prior to the fire department showing up. There was a 10-15ft hole and NO wings, NO fire, a small hole only. Somewhere on an old drive I have all the videos available online that day. Have showed those to many people over the years, they all said WTF!!
Watching these videos it was clear there was no plane that hit the pentagon
I don’t think the surface level observations of someone who has no clue what they’re talking about overrides actual evidence.
You're right, I'm a nobody. I'm going off the videos from that day that I saved, which are no longer available. The full cctv coverage from the gas station, the news crew on the ground that was filming when the fire truck showed up(the burned one on the grass). Video shows the fire truck driving up and no fire anywhere, no wings or damage next the small hole. Video also of the portion of the wall collapsing, and when the fire starts. Haven't been able to find these videos anywhere since 9/12/01. I only believe this since i saved them as it was happening that day. I showed the videos to people over the years and compared them to the documentaries, videos all are edited or after these. Everyone that has seen them is, WTF that isn't a plane
Yes, you are a nobody when it comes to investigating plane crashes based off images and video of the wreckage. Saving footage doesn’t make you an expert somehow.
Seems like a reasonable explanation might be the plane was moving pretty fast, so most of it either carried through the outer wall, or totally destroyed itself going through stone walls
Where did the wings and engines of the plane go? Did they neatly fold in to fit into the narrow hole, and then hide under the rubble?
I don’t know what happens to the wings of that specific aircraft when they collide with that specific building under those specific conditions at 460 knots. That’s a question for an expert on the subject, not random people on the internet.
I don’t have much of an opinion on this topic, I haven’t really looked into it.
But as soon as I saw this image, the El Al Flight 1862 which crashed in the Bijlmer in Amsterdam in 1992 immediately came to mind. The shape of the hole is very similar!
This image shows the likely position of the Bijlmer plane during the crash:
The image you posted of the Pentagon seems to me consistent with what I have seen of the Bijlmer accident, and so the shape of the hole and the absence of wings in the photo does not persuade me personally that no plane was involved.
Remember they said light poles on the highway were taken out by the plane's wings too? That's not even a remote possibility in my mind, cause those poles were like a few feet wide and made of reinforced steel, in theory a plane should just lose its wings and shake, or maybe bend the pole while leaving it standing. But that would explains the lack of any wing impact on the building. Also that wall (only that one wall weirdly enough) was reinforced in such a way as to withstand missile strikes I've read. This would explain either version of events, cause the wall would implode the wings on impact most likely leaving little trace aside from small debris, which... don't even get me started on the debris, but would also be likely if there never were wings, like in a missile strike scenario which may have rendered those light poles destroyed by accident for all we know. Either way it's suspicious as fuck we only ever got 2-3 frames of the security gate footage, and none from the gas station I believe it was across the street who caught the whole picture.
There are pictures of plane debris, one of which is on the wikipedia article of the event.
Have you ever looked at the base of light poles?
You’ll notice they’re bolted in place. These bolts sheer under significant impact to prevent more expensive damage to whatever they’re bolted to. You can see this happen in videos of car accidents on highways.
The thickness of the light pole is irrelevant, that isn’t the failure point. The massive amount of energy in a large plane moving that quickly should pop off light poles like twigs.
Similarly, a large plane moving that quickly into a reinforced building and instantly exploding should leave very small bits of debris. You can find images of crash sites of planes that have hit cliffs head on, or dove straight into the ground, and you’ll see similar scenes of what appears to be a surprisingly small amount of debris, which is really a plane’s worth of very small pieces. LOTS of energy involved in collisions like that. Especially given how full of fuel the plane was.
pixelmeow@lemmy.world 9 months ago
My boss, along with thousands of other people, was in his car commuting between VA and DC on the 14th street bridge. The plane went right over that bridge to crash into the pentagon. Thousands of cars on the surface streets around the pentagon. Thousands of people in the mid-rise buildings in Crystal City and surrounding areas saw the plane. Everyone driving that morning saw the plane. You cannot discount a plane when so many actually saw it, just because you didn’t.
SuiXi3D@kbin.social 9 months ago
Your word vs a mountain of video evidence that all disappeared. Sure.
pixelmeow@lemmy.world 9 months ago
You assuming there was a mountain of video evidence. Not my word, all those people who saw it happen.
SuiXi3D@kbin.social 9 months ago
It’s your word that their word is to be trusted, or even exists at all. No better than ‘Hey, I know a guy!’
I’m just saying that all of the evidence, or lack thereof, that I’ve ever seen doesn’t amount to a plane crashing into the building.