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Comment on Eating less meat ‘like taking 8 million cars off the road’

argv_minus_one@beehaw.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

Meanwhile, cargo ships burn bunker fuel with impunity.

Stop trying to pin responsibility for global warming on the little people. The rich created this disaster, and the rich are the only ones who can turn it around.

Unfortunately, they’d rather build themselves opulent underground shelters where they’ll hang out while the rest of humanity dies.

We’re screwed, there’s nothing we can do to save ourselves, and we may as well live it up and hope we check out before it gets really ugly.

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borstis@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
From the article, food production is responsible for a third of global greenhouse gas emission. And a rich person doesn’t eat that much more than a regular person. Except they probably eat more meat.

So, yeah, reducing the amount of meat you eat can really help!

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tinned_tomatoes@feddit.uk ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Whilst generally I agree with you, I disagree with this defeatist mindset when it comes to eating meat.

I think you’re underestimating how big an impact the meat industry has on the climate, and you’re underestimating the power “regular people” have with regards to eating less.

The meat industry exists because we eat loads of it. If we eat less of it, the meat industry will become smaller as a capitalistic reaction.

And no, I’m not a vegan. I eat meat every day because (and this is not a valid excuse) I’m a bodybuilder and eating loads of chicken every day is an easy way to get protein. That said, I do believe that 200 years from now society will look back at our consumption of real meat as barbaric. Synthesised lab-grown meat will happen eventually, and sadly it’ll probably take that for society as a whole to change. Hopefully humanity will survive to see the day!

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- argv_minus_one@beehaw.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  I think you’re underestimating how big an impact the meat industry has on the climate, and you’re underestimating the power “regular people” have with regards to eating less.
  
  The meat industry exists because we eat loads of it. If we eat less of it, the meat industry will become smaller as a capitalistic reaction.
  
  That would only delay the end of the world, not prevent it. It would be a huge and mostly senseless sacrifice.
  
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  - YungOnions@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    That defeatist attitude benefits no one except the status quo. Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good. Any positive change is better than none.
    
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  - mackwinston@feddit.uk ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    What huge sacrifice?
    
    We eat far too much meat, and the huge overconsumption of meat is not only very bad land use, it’s very bad for us personally, leading to chronic illnesses in later life.
    
    I’m not vegan, I’m not even a vegetarian, but I’ve massively reduced meat intake of all kinds (and very very rarely touch red meat these days). I don’t even miss it, and I don’t count it as a sacrifice. I have discovered all sorts of plant based foods which are to be honest better than meat, so it’s a “negative sacrifice” - not only is my health improved, my food is more enjoyable, too.
    
    The expectation to have meat every single meal is frankly ludicrous.
    
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starlinguk@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
If it wasn't for rampant consumerism there'd be fewer cargo ships.

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- argv_minus_one@beehaw.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  “Rampant consumerism” isn’t the problem. Lack of meaningful alternatives is the problem. Everything is made overseas, and everyone is too broke to afford locally-made products even if they did exist.
  
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  - crystal@feddit.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    So you’re saying that you are not willing to pay the price for products made in climate and worker friendly conditions.
    
    Most people aren’t and since “the little people” want harmful products, companies produce harmful products.
    
    It is “the little people”'s fault. The corporations would offer climate and worker friendly products, if people bought them.
    
    But the little people choose not to.
    
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    argv_minus_one@beehaw.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I’ll go ahead and repeat myself, since you seem to have glossed over a crucial part of my previous comment:
    
    everyone is too broke to afford locally-made products even if they did exist.
    
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NuPNuA@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I’d totally agree with banning cruise ships too.

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- stratoscaster@lemmy.zip ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I thought cruise ahips were relatively efficient because of the density of passengers? I guess I just assumed and didn’t really look into it
  
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thepixelfox@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
And China contributes around 32% toward it too. But China isn't gonna listen and just keep doing their bullshit and ruining lives and the environment.

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- crystal@feddit.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  The CO2 per capita produced in China is significantly less than the CO2 per capita produced in most first world countries.
  
  Even if an average first world person decides to eat no meat at all, they’re still gonna cause more CO2 emission than an average chinese person.
  
  This isn’t to be blamed on China.
  
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- TheDeadGuy@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  They are experiencing record heatwaves so it might be getting their attention. Their population is huge so if they become uncomfortable it's a powerful force for change
  
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