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• brophy@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  That’s. That’s the whole point. Things costing their true value.

  Business exist to make money (even non profits need to make enough money from either sales or donations to cover operating costs). If something costs them more, it’s going to cost their customers more. This way negative externalities aren’t swept away. The true cost of consumption is reflected in the price we pay.

  What you’re describing as a bad thing is really the system working for good, as it was intended.

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  • evranch@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Unfortunately they are correct as the carbon tax in Canada is indeed a racket. It’s only on consumer consumption.

    • oil exports, our largest source of emissions, are exempt
    • agriculture and forestry, the next largest, also exempt
    • shipping and rail, oh look, exempt
    • heavy industry can buy phoney carbon credits for $5/ton instead of paying the $65/ton tax. Some of these are for forests that have already burned down
    • oh yeah the greatest emission source last year, dwarfing all others, 80% of our total emissions came from the massive forest fires for which our policy is just to LET THEM BURN

    So the only people who carry the burden of the Canadian carbon tax are the ordinary taxpayers. But hey, the optics are good! Looks very progressive. Despite the fact that Canadian consumer consumption is the definition of a drop in the bucket that is global emissions.

    If Canada wanted to make a difference they would nationalize the grid, build nuclear and renewables. Or forget it all for now and just put out the damn fires!

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    • SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Do you have a source of your wildfires cause 80% of our carbon emissions?

      Only thing I could find was about 25% which is much different then the number you showed.

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      • evranch@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I believe it was a CBC article last fall that mentioned it, talking about the massive rise in acres burned from previous years. But I can’t directly give you a link at this time unfortunately, am on mobile and can’t find it either.

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• SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’m Canadian and I support the carbon tax.

  I would like to see our government stop subsidizing the fossil fuel companies and establish a national oil fund too.

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  • FonsNihilo@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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    • SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I support the carbon tax means that I support the carbon tax that we have.

      What form would you like to see?

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      • FonsNihilo@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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• dgmib@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  And you get CAIP now, which, for most Canadians, especially lower income Canadians, CAIP is greater than the additional cost you pay for goods and services due to the carbon tax.

  The carbon tax is quite literally a tax on the rich that gets given to the poor, while at the same time making high carbon intensity products more expensive incentivizing choices that lower carbon emissions.

  Only the very rich lose.

  The people who speak out against it, are either rich, or they are useful idiots, people who are ignorantly shilling to scrap the tax to their own detriment because they were told by their rich tribe leader it’s bad.

  Which one are you?

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• BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I love how downvoted you are and how many people can see through this BS.

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• BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  That sucks. It’s not like climate change is everybody’s problem.

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  • FonsNihilo@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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    • Klear@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      We can see you are not against it. Also go fuck yourself.

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      • FonsNihilo@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Your an idiot.

        Just because I complain about something with carbon tax in it’s name does not mean I am against global warming or climate change.

        Go back to reddit.

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• Frostbeard@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The tax will just be the cost of doing business. But surely “tHe MarKeT” will correct this by finding cheaper non carbon transport sell a cheaper product.

  Personally I support tax of fossile and subsidization of alternatives. Worked like a charm to electrify Norways car park.

  The cons are however that increased demand for electricity means building wind, hydro, solar power, with a huge cost to local environent both in most land and the diesel used by construction euipment

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• assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  There’s still market incentive for reducing emissions. Either lets you charge the same and for higher margins, or reduce prices and be more appealing to consumers.

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  • FonsNihilo@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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    • Silentiea@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Hey, just because companies always choose (and get away with) “make more money by cutting costs” instead of “attract more customers with lower prices” doesn’t mean they have to …right?

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    • assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      When has there been a carbon tax in recent years?

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• Chocrates@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Any suggestions on how we can actually make corporations pay for the carbon they emit if a carbon tax isn’t it?
  Doing nothing is what we have been doing and it isn’t working.

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  • FonsNihilo@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yeah, buy taxing them properly, and not just putting the tax on the individual

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    • Silentiea@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      How would you implement that? Like, how do you propose to impose a tax on the company that they can’t just pass along to the customer?

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      • FonsNihilo@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I don’t know, maybe a LAW that forces companies to eat the cost?

        But hey even with our carbon tax, our Canadian companies are still making yearly record, so that’d good right?

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• Ullallulloo@civilloquy.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  What does the government do with all the extra revenue? Theoretically it should be able to reduce other taxes proportionally so that those with low carbon usage come out ahead instead of just being a negative for everyone.

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  • n2burns@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yup, the Climate Action Incentive is a Pigouvian tax, so the government estimates the revenues, divides that up to comes up with a number for each resident, and we receive it back in quarterly payments.

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