Comment on Is the bot/troll situation getting worse?

• haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Very interesting indeed.

  I‘m starting to report, block and ban accounts from being viewed on my instance that use abusive language but from a systemic standpoint we should find a design solution to make this work.

  Reddit had karma for this reason among others. People needed to make helpful contributions to prove they are able to function in the group.

  For many reasons this is not implemented in the fediverse but a design solution would be good.

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  • blahsay@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If I was designing an anti troll/bot system I’d implement a few things. Let’s call any bad actor on here a bot/troll or broll for ease.

    1. Reputation based posting isn’t a bad idea if carefully done
    2. When a broll is banned any users from the same ip are flagged a suspect and a subsequent ban causes delayed posting from that ip. If a VPN the instance host list has the same effect applied. Exceptions based on Reputation.
    3. You can check if text is ai/llm generated and an automated api check before posting and immediate ban if found.
    4. Checks on if a user posts inhumanly fast or is oddly active etc would be sensible.
    5. Any broll system has to be adaptive and measures taken need to be kept secret (this post for example).

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    • haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Very good ideas! Any idea if something like this already exists? If not, shall we work on something? I have some experience in python if that helps.

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      • blahsay@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Thanks but not sure what’s currently implemented or even what the code base is written in 😅.

        I might have a poke around and see if there’s any low hanging fruit.

        Call me crazy but with a 5b ipo about to start I’d be shocked if reddit wasn’t paying some troll farms to brigade the fediverse and it’d be a shame if spez wins

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      • rimu@piefed.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        PieFed is an open source lemmy alternative (written in Python) that makes good use of karma/reputation, as shown in this video:

        https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/system/media_attachments/files/111/648/646/494/228/522/original/02cb1b5182a1f9b6.mp4

        Try the demo site at https://piefed.social and check out https://join.piefed.social. Also see https://piefed.social/c/piefed_meta for recent feature announcements.

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    • intensely_human@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You can check if text is ai/llm generated and an automated api check before posting and immediate ban if found

      If this LLM-detection function ever results in false positives, this system will be banning innocent people.

      Also there are many, many cases where a person openly displays results from an LLM, without it being in any way antisocial.

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      • blahsay@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        The odds of someone coming up with the same sentence as an llm within common sense bounds of time far exceed winning the lottery or getting struck by lightning.

        Your second point is straight up nonsense. This platform is for humans to interact. The use of bots is inherently deceptive.

        Fascinating to have someone argue for them. I think the backend logs will be pretty illuminating.

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