Comment on Wayfair lays off 13% of its workforce weeks after telling employees to work harder

GiddyGap@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

• sunbeam60@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  You do know a majority of investments are people’s retirement savings? Pension providers compete with each other to offer the best returns, moving to the shares that offer the best outlook for dividends and growth; we are the snake eating its own tail. If you want to one day save up for retirement, you are are a part of this.

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  • Ross_audio@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’d suggest you look into that a bit closer.

    Some investments are pensions, but generally they are buying solely on metrics. It’s also worth noting they’re focused on the long term. Pension funds line bonds, indexes and long term stocks.

    The money moving quickly and affecting value day to day, week to week, even quarter to quarter is the rich trying to extract a quick buck.

    Pension funds are increasingly likely to be holding the bag on a company that the short termists have eviscerated these days.

    If you really care about pensions you’d be in favour of massive market reforms to slow trading and promote companies long term health.

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    • sunbeam60@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I think I understand it well enough already.

      I AM in favour of massive market reforms that removes definitely HFT and probably a lot of day trading too. I don’t think it benefits anyone - I know some traders argue it prevents inefficiencies in the market but I am convinced it does more harm than good. Minimum holding periods are fine by me. But you and I both know that some pension funds hold Wayfare - and pension funds will eventually trade, maybe on lower frequency, and make choices based on companies’ performance. Of course Wayfare has to keep their margins in that game.

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      • Ross_audio@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Wayfair has not been traded significantly by pension funds because it has not been a significant stock for long enough.

        There may be some index linked investments which have pulled in Wayfair stock, but those will be treated as a whole and will be designed to be less risky.

        It is a bad thing when stock value can be manipulated upwards by layoffs. It’s usually a sign the company is doing worse than they expected, their growth has reached a limit, so logically their long term forecasts should decrease.

        But the market recognises their short term balance sheet has just seen an improvement and the short term money moves in. Ready for the ultimate buy out of a company that’s reached the peak of growth, so the main owners are ready to sell to a larger company.

        Hopefully at an inflated market rate because short term decisions are being made to make the company look better to an algorithm.

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  • KevonLooney@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Pension providers compete with each other to offer the best return

    Boy do I have news for you. Most retail investora want flashy charts, and they will pay higher fees to see them. They have no idea what they are charged or how it affects their returns.

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    • sunbeam60@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      What does that have to do with my argument?

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