Comment on House of J (John+Joan Mastodon), or: Five Ways the Fediverse could help to save Liberal Democracy
ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 8 months ago
What if we want democracy but nothing to do with Liberalism? Let’s work towards a more progressive, humanity focused social agenda. Let’s make people happy again.
You can have that. But I also want conservatives in the Fediverse to simulate societal debate better here. Defederation still exists, of course.
It’s not about agreeing on everything but about finding common grounds again between opposing parties that at least share some common values.
Why would anyone want debate with a conservative?
They have no ideas to contribute to society.
That’s black and white thinking and undemocratic. Conservatives respect democracy and should therefore be a part of it.
Also they obviously something to contribute, next to Liberalism and Socialism, Conservatism is one of the biggest political traditions. Let’s not be so stupid to assume that it’s complete bullshit.
Conservatism protects traditional institutions, watches that change is not too fast and traditionally, also warns against too much destructering of traditional societal structures by the market. Maybe modern conservatives don’t necessary do all of that, but it’s a tradition that has earned itself.
Conservatives are the only people out here actively trying to erode democracy. They do not respect it, quite the opposite in fact.
As for actually conserving, they do very little of that as well. It's mainly bitching about change and holding back the world until their generation dies off, it's a net negative on the betterment of everyone on earth.
Just look at the harm it's done to causes such as climate change. We're running out of time as a society, there's no time to argue with them about if women should have basic human rights or if we should move towards a non-polluting lifestyle.
Ashyr@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Can you define how Liberalism is different from Progressivism? I’ve always self-identified as progressive because I don’t feel liberal democrats go far enough, but I don’t actually know what makes Liberalism distinct from something more progressive.
sir_reginald@lemmy.world 8 months ago
liberalism aligns with capitalism. most progressive are anticapitalist. sure, there are progressive liberals but they are usually perceived as not real progressives by the socialists, etc.
fenndev@leminal.space 8 months ago
It’s my (fairly uneducated) observation and understanding that liberalism is often significantly more aligned with conservatism than socialism, for example. It’s ultimately under the umbrella of ideologies that support and prop up capitalism.
kersploosh@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
I think that’s a good summary.
“Classical liberalism” is basically what modern libertarians want: a laissez-faire capitalist economy, a secular representative government with very limited powers, prioritizing individual freedom over collective well-being, etc.
In my part of the world “liberalism” is now commonly used to refer to a different set of priorities: creating economic safety nets, regulating business, promoting universal healthcare, unions, gender equality, racial equality, etc. Though capitalism and a secular representative government are still part of the mix.