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gregorum@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

• Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Sometimes it is effective. Just ask everyone who salivated over the PATRIOT act.

  Now whether is justified is an entirely different story.

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  • gregorum@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    that was Data’s whole point. Then, just as Picard was about to dish out a bunch of huffy equivocation, their conversation got cut off. Trek was often bold in how it approached controversial sociopolitical subjects. And, sometimes, it scampered off without honestly addressing them.

    this occasion was one of the latter.

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    • VioletTeacup@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      In fairness, it’s less controversial and more that the line is outright offensive. At the time, people were being murdered by acts of terrorismin in the troubles, so to wontonly say that those attacks are effective and will get results was extremely insensitive. It’s sort of like saying 9/11 was an effective use of terrorism shortly after it happened, or the 2015 Paris attacks.

      That being said, it’s still an interesting point that Data raises in the episode.

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      • porthos@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        In fairness, it’s less controversial and more that the line is outright offensive. At the time, people were being murdered by acts of terrorismin in the troubles, so to wontonly say that those attacks are effective and will get results was extremely insensitive. It’s sort of like saying 9/11 was an effective use of terrorism shortly after it happened, or the 2015 Paris attacks.

        I mean I get that it is a pretty touchy subject, but honestly at the end of the day the 9/11 attacks were stunningly effective at doing exactly what Bin Laden wanted us to do, get involved in a long drawn out war that undermined the stability of the US and accelerated its collapse.

        The letter got popular recently and I am glad because the asshole literally wrote this all out in a letter and then we just took the bait hook line and sinker.

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      • gregorum@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        It’s sort of like saying 9/11 was an effective use of terrorism shortly after it happened

        here’s the think, though: by no measure could this statement be considered even remotely true.

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• magnetosphere@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Important context. Damn.

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