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• _number8_@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  yeah i thought 4TB would be like $50 now. whatever happened to moore’s law

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  • Lath@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Unregulated capitalism some would say, I say cheap production costs with little to no consequence whatsoever for them doing this kind of thing.

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    • fartsparkles@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Exactly, if forced scarcity was regulated, we’d be an entirely different situation. For instance diamonds would be practically worthless.

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    • fugacity@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Unless this is a matter of price collusion (which I doubt as it appears more as a supply demand issue) I don't think this unregulated capitalism is bad. Last I checked making any kind of products involving semiconductors isn't cheap or easy. Maybe it is once you figure out how to, but the R&D costs involved are insane.

      We as consumers want prices as low as possible. Suppliers want prices as high as possible. Samsung (and the like) clearly aren't willing to make more of a product at the price that it is currently at (which is a mistake to begin with). There are plentu of other players making ssds, and the prices are all very similar. Something tells me that they're not gonna price things for cheaper because they can't survive that way.

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  • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Moore’s law has been dead for a long long time.

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    • neclimdul@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      No need to downvote this. It’s an insidery technically correct statement. We’ve redefined how we measure Moore’s law several times to make it “keep working” and some people designing chips, not selling them, think it’s not only outlined it’s usefulness but also not true anymore.

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      • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        In my experience, a lot of people incorrectly conflate Moore’s Law with “computers get faster”

        So when you say Moore’s Law is dead and it’s unrealistic to expect it not to be, they get upset and jump to the conclusion that you’re defending tech companies for giving paltry upgrades, which obviously isn’t what I’m doing.

        There are other things to PCs getting faster in a post Moore’s Law world. Architecture improvements, hardware acceleration, advanced packaging such as AMD’s chiplet technology, etc - these are all commonplace and have replaced the idea of “let’s just double transistor counts every two years”

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    • fugacity@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Moore's law hasn't died, if you mean number of transistors per area. Linear scaling to transistor counts has.

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      • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        It absolutely has. Transistor count in an area absolutely is not doubling every two years.

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  • bassomitron@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I thought Moore’s law was only for CPUs?

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    • mihnt@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Moore’s law is the observation that the number of transistors in an integrated circuit doubles about every two years. Moore’s law is an observation and projection of a historical trend.

      It is.

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    • Aceticon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s about the shrinking in integrated circuit feature size, hence increase in IC element densities, so it applies to memories which are integrated circuits such as flash memory and the various kinds of RAM, but not to magnetic storage such as in HDDs as they’re something else altogether.

      That said, I believe (but am not absolutelly sure) that IC feature size has been shrinking slower than Moore’s Law predicts for maybe a decade as the size of the features becomes so small that quantum-level effects start becoming a problem (think stuff like signal leaks due to quantum tunnelling).

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  • fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    As tech shrinks it’s only getting more and more expensive per mm. Unless we get some major improvement we’re kinda at the limit for the moment.

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  • fugacity@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Moore's law makes no comments about the cost of each transistor in an advanced process. And believe me, they ain't cheap. It's not a coincidence we're up to PLC flash... why go for 32 levels when TLC is likely already a pain?

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  • altima_neo@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yeah, spend $200 on a 4tb m.2 gen4, or $200 on a 18tb hdd

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  • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You couldnt even get a good 4tb sata ssd for 50€ what made you hope for nvme?

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• fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  SSDs are absurdly cheap at the moment. 2023s demand glut led to a huge over abundance of SSDs and dirt cheap prices.

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  • NoRodent@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Right? SATA III SSDs currently cost the same as HDDs of the same capacity, at least where I live. If it stays like that, it will no longer make any sense to buy HDDs. Finally.

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