People really like to overestimate how much range they actually need on a daily basis.
People like to reframe the discussion to be about daily use when it’s almost completely meaningless in the context of maximum range.
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fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.world 8 months agoPeople really like to overestimate how much range they actually need on a daily basis.
I drive maybe 200 miles a week. Almost all EVs could easily get that range in spring/fall. And even in the worst of winter as long as I have 120 volts to keep the battery warm I’ll make it through the week no problem.
Honestly big fast charger networks aren’t the biggest hurdle. We need basic 120v or 240v outlets ran to every apartment/town homes parking spot. With essentially a trickle from 120v you’ll be fine for 90% of your driving needs.
helenslunch@feddit.nl 8 months ago
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
And that’s with a Tesla. Any other vehicle there will be even fewer, and a good chance they won’t even be working when you get to them.
This is only accurate if you are being as stubborn as possible. There are many third party, and even some first party solutions to this problem. With the right adapter, literally any EV can charge at a Tesla station.
helenslunch@feddit.nl 8 months ago
This is only accurate if you are being as stubborn as possible
I don’t even know what that’s supposed to mean.
With the right adapter, literally any EV can charge at a Tesla station.
That’s incorrect. Currently there are only a handful of stations that support this and most of them are located on the opposite side of the country from me.
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
I don’t even know what that’s supposed to mean.
The only way it makes sense is if you’re intentionally constraining things to the most unfavorable. You’re ignoring charge stations, ignoring that EV adapters exist, ignoring portable chargers.
Currently there are only a handful of stations that support this and most of them are located on the opposite side of the country from me.
The adapters I’m talking about are something you just throw in your trunk and pull out when you need them. They are “universal” and don’t require support on the charger side. You just buy one for your specific car.
wewbull@feddit.uk 8 months ago
If you have 120V to keep the battery warm, you have 120V to charge from.
rambaroo@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I live it when ev drivers act like the rest of us are just fucking stupid.
jmp242@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
I don’t think the issue is the daily basis. It’s the few long trips people take yearly that would blast that 200 mile range out. People don’t want to buy a very expensive new car that they know won’t work for them several times a year. It’s the same reason people who tow something several times a year make sure their vehicle can tow that.
Because renting a vehicle for a trip or to tow is actually a PITA and expensive.
fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It’s a hell of a lot cheaper to buy an EV with a range/capacity lower than what you need 5% of the time, and spending $40 to rent a truck/$100 to rent a car for a trip than it is to buy some ridiculously oversized battery. Sure 5% of the time it’s useful, but getting a rental isn’t that bad.
Plus with a rental you can pick the exact type of car suits the trip well. I took a V6 camaro on a road trip for thanksgiving and that thing gets almost 30 mpg doing 80+ on the highway. Vs if I had my one size fits all Outback for that trip I’d be getting 25 doing only 70, and in the low 20s at 80 if I’m lucky.
jmp242@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
I don’t know where you live so I can’t talk to your experience, but where I live, if I want to rent a car for a week trip I’m driving at least 30 minutes one way, spending an hour getting the car, and paying about $1,000. If I want to rent a truck for towing (we tried this for like a year, for ~3 uses that year) we have to drive 45 minutes, it seems to take them about 2 hours to do the paperwork if we’re lucky - we’ve waited 4 hours or more before, and we paid $350 for a weekend because they couldn’t rent it for one day for Saturday because they were closed on Sunday, but charged for that day anyway. Then we got to spend another 1.5 hours driving there and back again to drop it off, 40 minutes doing paperwork.
This is a plausible PITA, stress and annoyance once every 5 years or so, but for multiple times a year, plus all the “we just WILL NOT use a truck and make due with a less suited tow vehicle and light trailer” which is more like 12 times a year, we broke down and bought a used truck.
You see - people don’t buy cars just for dollars and cents, they also buy it for value, and in a lot of cases, that’s paying slightly more for the ease and convenience of jumping into said car and doing what they need to do right now, rather than with days of planning.
kaboom36@ani.social 8 months ago
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ch00f@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I will wait in line for cheap gas at Costco a hundred times before I have to stop and charge for 30 minutes on my annual road trip.
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jmp242@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
I have no idea what this has to do with towing or long road trips, but my personal experience is it’s usually pull up to gas station, pull up to pump, start pumping. I very rarely have waited in line anywhere. Even when I have, it’s like 5 minutes maybe. Do you claim there aren’t ever lines at charging stations, and there won’t be lines in the future as more people want to use them?
ch00f@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I charge at home. I never need to go out of my way or really even think about fuel/charge level. Every day I wake up with a full tank.
I know not everyone can charge at home, but at least half of America can, and it’s a convenience that is seldom mentioned in discussions of “range anxiety.”
thisisawayoflife@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I know some folks that just made a cross country trip in a Tesla model Y. They don’t do huge distances every day so it took a couple of weeks but they made it just fine. They did note that the South was really bad for chargers. Something about some state legislatures or municipalities actually passing laws against public charging or something like that. It sounded pretty southern and believable though.
jmp242@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
If I had Tesla Y money, I’d get an RV for a slow cross country road trip. Save on hotels. I’m talking about trips where you want to get to your destination, yet don’t really want the added expense, hassle, and limits of flying (and probably renting a car at the other end). This mostly has to do if you have 3 or more people on the trip, if you’re just one person who can avoid renting the car on the other end somehow, it doesn’t apply.
thisisawayoflife@lemmy.world 8 months ago
They did have one but got rid of it because they didn’t want the hassle. They are olds and are more about convenience at this point.
Whom@midwest.social 8 months ago
Yeah, I’ve been looking into possibly getting an EV and apart from renting in a place without anywhere to charge making it a nonstarter, another problem is that a routine trip like to my parents’ and back is like 250 miles with nowhere to charge. Giving a bit of wiggle room for degrading batteries, doing anything other than making a straight line for their house that day, and random other inefficiencies, only the 300+ mile models are doable. And we have very modest needs for our region, most of my family makes trips that long or more at least once or twice a week.
I understand that it’s probably frustrating for people who get by well enough with an EV to see people who live similar lifestyles to them overestimate what they need, but in much of America at least there’s a lot of people who have to drive hours and hours to get anywhere. Our needs are very real, not the result of fear mongering.
For my part, I’m currently thinking we’ll just get ourselves some used shit from the late 90s to avoid the privacy hellscape of new cars and do our part environmentally by just using it as little as possible.