Comment on Apple says it will remove services such as FaceTime and iMessage from the UK rather than weaken security if new proposals are made law and acted upon.

breakfastmtn@geddit.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

• PooCrafter93@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Haha yeah too right. UK government isn’t authoritarian enough for apple to listen to

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  • Beans_On_Banana@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    No, the UK just doesn’t have enough population to bargain with.

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  • tdawg@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    it has more to do with where their factors are located. Hard to negotiate with the people who control the very land and people you utilize to build your hardware

    Not saying that justifies it, just think we should be accurate with our outrage

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    • breakfastmtn@geddit.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      They could have factories in China and not sell phones there. There are also other places to build factories. They just might have to trim back their 42% profit margin. It’s still a willingness to abandon principles for a price, isn’t it?

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    • PooCrafter93@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yeah I agree that the CCP have more leverage due to the factories, aa well as the larger user base.

      Just like to point out apple aren’t some altruistic organisation, they are a corporation out to make money, and that the CCP suck.

      Also, I profoundly disagree with the legislation this thread was originally about.

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    • rbits@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I think it’s more that they know they don’t have any negotiating power in China. China doesn’t care if they have iMessage, but the UK and the british people do.

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      • jr52@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Chinese have wechat

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  • breakfastmtn@geddit.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I mean, they didn’t cave to Russia either. Apple just has principles until there’s enough cash on the table. Then they claim to “always abide by local laws” wherever they operate.

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    • PooCrafter93@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yeah you are right there, just being too smart mouthed I guess

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      • breakfastmtn@geddit.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Nah you were appropriately smart mouthed. The problem was my clumsy post intro.

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  • damnYouSun@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Oh, they are authoritarian enough. They just aren’t powerful enough.

    Want to know what it looks like to go power crazy with no power, then go look at the Tories.

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    • PooCrafter93@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I respectfully disagree with this statement

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• GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  It’s this publicly known, or just assumed because China blocks everything they can’t read?

  I assume that Apple gives the Chinese government access somehow, but I’ve never read details.

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  • breakfastmtn@geddit.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Apple proactively aids in censorship and stores all customer data on servers controlled by the Chinese government.

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    • GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Thanks for the links. Unfortunately, that NYT article does not make a single mention of iMessage or end-to-end encryption.

      Last I checked, iMessage still works in China. I find it implausible that China would allow this without access. If there’s a mechanism for that, I’d like to know what it is and how far it extends. The fact that Apple doesn’t admit that there’s a difference in iMessage’s security in China makes me wonder whether it is compromised globally.

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      • breakfastmtn@geddit.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I don’t think there’s any evidence of a global compromise but I think you’re right that China wouldn’t allow access if it didn’t ultimately control it.

        I couldn’t find anything specific about iMessage but the keys are backed up to iCloud – and we know that’s compromised. I can’t imagine them leaving users the option to just not back up to iCloud to avoid surveillance, but I haven’t seen any specifics. Best to assume that under no circumstances do you ever have privacy from the gov’t in China or even when messaging someone in China.

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