masimatutu@nerdica.net 9 months ago
By all means, fuck Meta to the moon and back, but for goodness' sake, users on federated servers can choose to block the domain with the same result, not to mention that admins can simply restrict it (see social.coop/@eloquence/1115888…). It just isn't so black and white as people are making it seem.
Federation with a bigger platform is realistically the only way for Fedi to become mainstream, and at the moment Meta seems at least to be trying to be communicative. And with their quite unvaluable userbase they really don't have enough leverage against the privacy-concious Fediverse to turn AP into MetaPub. For now.
But I don’t want the fediverse to become mainstream!!
I know, I know, most people think it’s the best thing.
But if I selfishly prefer the fediverse to be as it is now. Actually, as it was a couple of months ago. Lemmy is already being filled with rage-baiting bullshit, which is one of the reasons I decided to leave reddit.
I am 100% with you. Becoming mainstream is what ruins most good communities that end up ruined. Hell, even Facebook was a 1000x better before they opened it to non-college users.
Adding more people would dilute some of the excessively frequent ragebait posters…
It’s like the same 2-3 dozen people.
Good to know. I’ll start blocking, then.
Have you been on Facebook (or Xhitter) recently? Where “recent” is defined as “within the past decade or so”.
Just because the Fediverse is mainstream doesn’t mean that the content on every instance is mainstream; instances can display content however they like. It really is rather selfish to say that you want everyone to stay in the corporate walled gardens just so that you can enjoy your unfiltered feed.
It really is rather selfish
Uh, yeah. I already mentioned that.
I know, I’m just emphasising on it, and its needlessness.
So then we shall propose to let them in at our own terms ?
That’s quite reasonable to me, and less radical in my humble opinion.
moitoi@feddit.de 9 months ago
You’re playing the classic “it’s the individual responsability” game. It’s how you deregulate everything and the consumer losses every right.
We have to acknowledge that we have systemic or/and societal issues. This is a systemic issues so a common thing.
masimatutu@nerdica.net 9 months ago
Bo7a@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
Not quite the same result. Blocking the instance stops you seeing their posts, but not the comments coming from their users.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I didn’t actually know that. Thanks for mentioning it
masimatutu@nerdica.net 9 months ago
moitoi@feddit.de 9 months ago
It’s a similar situation as with the unions. We can all manage to have a pay rise by ourselves. Or, we unionize and ask together for the pay rise.
Defederating the instance is like unionizing. We all go forward instead of individually to have weight. This weight is in form of killing asap the federating attempt, as threads.net users will have nothing to see in the Fediverse. If you let each user manage the situation, threads.net can do whatever they want. There is no individual responsibility in this case. We have to play collectively.
We need to play collectively because the Fediverse isn’t one monolithic network, unlike Meta. It’s a federated network. It’s each instance and Meta. This is why unionizing is important. It’s the Fediverse and Meta. This is the magic of activity pub. You can let others use the protocol but say no to the interaction with them.
The second aspect is that Meta is relying on “cognitive capitalism”. Meta will use free cognitive time from the Fediverse to capitalize. This has huge implication on mental health and all kind of minorities relying on the Fediverse for various reasons. We can say all together no to this, what isn’t possible individually. I recommend the book “The Soul at Work From Alienation to Autonomy” by Franco “Bifo” Berardi. It’s a good book to understand the issue with Meta and others.
Masimatutu@mander.xyz 9 months ago
Look, I hate Meta as much as the next person, but they really don’t have that much leverage over the Fediverse as people are making it seem. It is completely optional to follow their accounts so they have little direct control over people’s feeds, not to mention that their active userbase is quite small. I’d say a better approach is simply restricting interaction by making it opt-in in all ways, just like social.coop.