I can assure you, engineers are out there who want to work in the US - both local and foreign. They just don’t want to work in Arizona.
The climate in California is already bad enough, but at least Cali has some upsides.
Comment on TSMC is delaying its Arizona foundry over a lack of skilled workers alongsde a $5.85B income slump
drdabbles@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Morris Chang said it decades ago, but the US will need to import a lot of talented engineers and workers if we plan on actually having some amount of self sufficiency in chip design on the leading edge of the industry. IMO, there was zero chance they were ever going to have that fab running by 2024, just given the amount of time other fabs have taken from tool-in to production runs. But this sort of announcement means things are significantly worse than previously imagined.
TWeaK@lemm.ee 1 year ago
PuppetPantheon@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
You do know that AZ is one of the largest engineering states in the country right? Motorola, Stryker, Infosys,Cisco,Honeywell, Raytheon, general dynamics, on semiconductor. And more that I don’t want to type all have r&d and fab in or near PHX. This is all about TSMC coming in thinking they are hot shot and that their name is worth more that the paycheck.
quicksand@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You forgot the highest volume Intel fab in the world XD. But you’re right Arizona at least has nice weather almost half of the year and tons of hot jobs in tech. The issue is with the work culture at TSMC and not the location
indetermin8@lemmy.world 1 year ago
and tons of hot jobs in tech You probably didn’t intend the pun, but you made a good one anyway.
PuppetPantheon@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
Cali is for pumping consumers as much as possible az is making the most advanced systems the military can think of. It’s not a shortage of qualified engineers
chakan2@lemmy.world 1 year ago
In this case, it’s not a lack of engineers. Taiwan leadership burned through their staff too quickly.
I’ve run into that a lot (mostly with India, but I’d assume it’s Eastern society as a whole). Leadership isn’t used to being questioned. There’s a very clear hierarchy that must be respected at all costs. I think it comes from the caste systems possibly. When US engineers roll in and propose changes, they’re dealt with swiftly and brutally.
(If you want to get philosophical about the culture difference, it’s why the US comes up with big ideas, and why Asia is so much better at execution).
There’s just an expectation that workers march in lockstep to the death, and US workers simply, culturally, are not like that. Especially not when they have valuable skills they can get paid for somewhere else.
Go look at Glassdoor for TSMC, it’s not a pretty picture.
The US has enough engineers…no one wants to pay for them or put up with their whining.
Talaraine@kbin.social 1 year ago
It's more than that. TSMC expects American workers to operate under Asian expectations which is long hours for lower pay. They can't keep American workers b/c they just say no and work for the competition.
RickRussell_CA@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Whenever a company says “lack of skilled workers” or “labor shortage”, just assume that it’s corporate newspeak for “we are entirely unwilling to pay what the market demands for those skills”.
sj_zero 1 year ago
If they really wanted more skilled labour, then they'd hire entry level people.
Shockingly, that doesn't happen. Huh!
a_spooky_specter@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Can’t say I’d be stoked to live in Arizona considering the recent heat wave either.
st0v@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
maybe I misinderstand your meaning but at its heart the real problem is that chip engineers salary has been stuck at ten years ago for about twenty years. Like 50k usd.
This in and of itself is not a huge problem but with no downstream opportunities there isn’t enough talent considering a career toward the top of the value chain.
The 1980s and 1990s saw alot of people come back to Taiwan, but the 2010s and 2020s sees it happen in another direction (mainland, the salary is awesome).
Of course many will say factory workers don’t need to smart enough to do design. but IC production is complicated and needs skilled labor with some understanding of what they’re doing.
average650@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’ve always heard Intel was bad to work for. I have to imagine that’s if it’s worse under tsmc, then of course people won’t work there.