On the other hand, Tuvix creeped me out.
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Flyberius@hexbear.net 11 months ago
I’m not hear to debate anyone, but if you think it is ok to kill a currently living being to resurrect a dead being, then you are fucked in the head.
SwampYankee@mander.xyz 11 months ago
TheMongoose@kbin.social 11 months ago
WELL THAT'S ALL RIGHT THEN!
Saeculum@hexbear.net 11 months ago
One for one, sure. One for two? I can see the argument.
pomodoro_longbreak@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
So what if you could save five lives by harvesting the organs on one little old person?
jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
How many people could we save if we harvested you for spare parts? You can’t, or at very least shouldn’t, make moral decisions on arithmetic alone.
Flyberius@hexbear.net 11 months ago
It’s not an equation to be worked out. It simply boils down to respecting the wishes of a currently conscious being.
Saeculum@hexbear.net 11 months ago
If I had come about through the unwilling merger of two people, and my death could restore those people, it’s probably ethical to kill me to make it happen.
I don’t think it’s necessarily reasonable to call the two component people dead either. Death is a not a particularly well defined term, but we don’t tend to apply it to people who might get better.
Why don’t we just harvest your organs and give them to people we deem more useful, ya know?
The knowledge that you live in a society where you could be legally killed at any point for the greater good, and the resultant fear and uncertainty probably would cause more harm overall than doing so could actually alleviate.
m_r_butts@kbin.social 11 months ago
If you consent to it, it's ethical. It is not otherwise.
Flyberius@hexbear.net 11 months ago
What you are saying is it is ethical to kill a being that has specifically said it doesn’t want to die, in order save two others.
m_r_butts@kbin.social 11 months ago
Moreover, Neelix and especially Tuvok as an enlisted Starfleet officer consented to the risk of death that comes with serving aboard a starship. And that's exactly what happened to them. Tuvix was never given the choice and was murdered for having had the bad fortune to be born aboard Voyager. So much for seeking out new life.
HolyDuckTurtle@kbin.social 11 months ago
I think from their perspective Tuvok and Neelix weren't "dead", which was why they were more inclined to "correct" the situation at hand and save their crewmates while they still had the chance to do so.
Regardless, it's a fucked up decision, I don't envy it.
limelight79@lemm.ee 11 months ago
There’s a line in the episode around that point:
But that’s the whole point of the episode - it’s a moral quandary with no real “right” answer. It’s Hugh of Borg all over again.
m_r_butts@kbin.social 11 months ago
The episode did its job challenging viewers with the question, because people still argue about this today. But to me there's an actual, unambiguous answer: 4.823 seconds after transport autosequence initiation, when the emitter array completed the materialization cycle.