Comment on Boy, 15, given official warning after saluting as neo-Nazis marched through Ballarat

• 520@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I know they don’t plan to stop at voicing opinions but the second they step over the line and enact violence ship em off to prison or ideally rehabilitation.

  The problem there is that by the time violence started actually happening in Nazi Germany, there was no one willing or able to do anything about it.

  If you let a hate movement get big, they're going to have thousands of people willing to commit these crimes, and they'll happen every other day.

  Even if you take the extremes of Naziism out of the equation, that's a family home firebombed, a school shot up or a church massacred before you do anything about one individual.

  If you're only taking direct action against individuals who directly cause violence after the fact, you put the targeted group in a very desperate position. You're letting the people who are recruiting often people with mental health issues or challenges to do their violence go scott free to continue recruiting more people to do violence.

  That's going to add up to a lot of firebombed homes and massacred churches, and a targeted group that frankly does not feel safe in that community. Infact they may turn desperate and in turn towards violence. That's how groups like Hamas come to be .

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  • muntedcrocodile@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    We live in a democracy do u have so little faith in the people of society that u think a majority will support such violence? A government is defined as the power holding a monoply on violence within a region. Either the government will stop the violence since they hold the monoply. Or the government is committing the violence in which case it would be a democratic decision and we fall back to the do u have such little faith in ur fellow human that such a government would be ellected.

    How does banning speach and symbols prevent houses being firebombes schools being shot up churches masacred its not like the people who do such things respect the law about not saying shit, they gonna say it anyways even if it is illegal.

    The USA has plenty of fucked people who go around saying that sort of shit proudly. They dont have the sort of violence u speak of. They got a gun problem not a nazi problem us aussies pretty much solved the gun problem years ago.

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    • 520@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      We live in a democracy do u have so little faith in the people of society that u think a majority will support such violence?

      Yes. Have you not paid attention to the last few years? How easily swayed people were by lies? To the point of committing violence and treason?

      We as a populace are not immune to the tactics of the likes of Hitler. It is complacency to think otherwise. Especially when recent years have overwhelmingly demonstrated similar tactics to work incredibly effectively on the American people

      A government is defined as the power holding a monoply on violence within a region. Either the government will stop the violence since they hold the monoply.

      What happens when they are the government? The government is made of people, either hired by, or voted for by, other people. People who are every bit as susceptible to misinformation and other tricks as other people.

      How does banning speach and symbols prevent houses being firebombes schools being shot up churches masacred its not like the people who do such things respect the law about not saying shit, they gonna say it anyways even if it is illegal.

      It allows police to go up the chain, deal with not only the pawns, but the ones getting people to commit these acts. The recruiters being dealt with would absolutely prevent violence.

      The USA has plenty of fucked people who go around saying that sort of shit proudly. They dont have the sort of violence u speak of.

      Oh no?

      https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65540412

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charleston_church_shooting

      https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/deadly-jacksonville-shooting-is-latest-racist-attack-amid-rise-in-hate-crimes

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Buffalo_shooting

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_synagogue_shooting

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Atlanta_spa_shootings

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      • rainynight65@feddit.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Just add a link to the Capitol invasion while you’re at it.

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• rainynight65@feddit.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I know they don’t plan to stop at voicing opinions but the second they step over the line and enact violence

  The second that happens, it’s too late.

  How do I know? Because that second has already passed.

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